@lightenup
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
Think about it Nick, since I am offering evidence from the Bible and you are in disagreement with it, then you are calling the Bible a liar or maybe it is that you are in denial of truth. Read this objectively:
In the OT, things of God are done in the name of YHWH, in the NT, things of God are addressed to the Father, in the name of the Son.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
The OT also calls Jesus the Lord God,they are both Jehovah as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. Jehovah is the Lord of lords in the OT, Jesus is identified as the Lord of lords in the NT…every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is YHVH (LORD).
Paul calls Him (the Son) the only ‘kyrios’ and John tells us that He…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
The OT also calls Jesus the Lord God,they are both Jehovah as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. Jehovah is the Lord of lords, Jesus is the Lord of lords…every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is YHVH (LORD).
Paul calls Him (the Son) the only ‘kyrios’ and John tells us that He is the kyrios kyrion which…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 1 month ago
That is talking about the bodies, not the souls. The souls are already with the LORD.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
Nick,
If the Son of God is you Lord, then why do you not recognize Him as the Lord in the first commandment?“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 1 month ago
@Bodhitharta
Those that have died are no longer in Hades but in Paradise if they are believers in Jesus as the Messiah and their LORD.Also, there would be no death if there was no evil, therefore, evil has the power of death and satan is the leader of evil. Jesus took away that power. People’s bodies still die but their soul goes to Paradise to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
Nick
You are calling YHVH, the Lord of lords a demigod. YHVH the Lord of lords is the Word of YHVH, and YHVH who in the fullest sense is both God of gods and Lord of lords (Deut 10:17). Paul identifies them as Father and Son in 1 Cor 8:6. Someday even you will call Jesus ‘LORD’ (YHVH).Isaiah 45
21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
Nick
You are calling YHVH, the Lord of lords a demigod. YHVH the Lord of lords is the Word of YHVH, who in the fullest sense is both God of gods and Lord of lords. Someday even you will call Jesus LORD (YHVH).Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
Hi Nick,
The Word of YHVH was the Heavenly Being that became flesh. The Word of YHVH was seen by man in the OT.Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 1 month ago
@bodhitharta
The devil had the power of death because he tempted Adam and Eve to disobey God. Satan brought death to mankind because death is the wages of sin. This power of death was rendered powerless by the shed blood of Jesus and His resurrection. YHVH ends people’s life and bring people back to life. That is the difference.I believe that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 1 month ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:Your using the word begotten from one thing to represent a begotten from a completely different thing. Your trying to say the son preexisted as a sentinal being in one state of existence and then later was begotten, to another state of existence, that is an assumption on your part, you have never proved yet he did preexist…
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 1 month ago
@carmel
Luke 12:24Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
Chickens are birds, btw which are not as valuable as man.Jesus died for sinners…He gave His life, shed His own blood for SINNERS. That should show you how God values…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
We raised chickens and they were definitely stinky and messy…pooped everywhere, lol.Man eats chickens not the other way around, btw. Man builds the chicken coop for the chicken, the chicken can’t build their own chicken coop.Chickens don’t rule over man, man rules over chickens. Man is made in the image of God, chickens are not.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
Didn’t you say that Jesus came from satan?Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
Yes, I am here
Welcome back π
Jesus was created by God and not through the seed of man.
His flesh was created to contain always existent living spirit.
Now why exactly did God need to make himself a man that must be crucified?
Heb 2
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:I AM STILL RIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF WHAT I SAID, I EXPRESSED THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS,THINK YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE BEGOTTEN MEAN A ON GOING PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A PAST EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
I have NEVER suggested that ‘begotten’ means an on-going process…never. I really wonder about your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:I AM STILL RIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF WHAT I SAID, I EXPRESSED THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS,THINK YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE BEGOTTEN MEAN A ON GOING PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A PAST EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
I have NEVER suggested that ‘begotten’ means an on-going process…never. I really wonder about your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
Bo?
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:No you have it wrong i believe, jesus was not begotten from the dead
Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Gene, it is you that has it wrong and that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
you said:I AM NOT A PERSON WHICH DENIES:
that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all!!!!!!
From a previous post here, it seems to me that you want to include satan in the glory that you claim to give to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I don’t understand how that can be from God, it is so far…[Read more]
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