Hi All,

Thus:
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and “we” shall be changed.

Me: Who is “we”? The “we” has to be the whole church. “we” is our spiritual essence with or without our bodies. Our spiritual essence is our minds with…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Here is the reconciliation:

How do you reconcile A1 and A2 with B1, B2 and B3?

A1

1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall (appear) incorruptible, and we shall be changed (we and not our bodies). We receive new bodies of the holy spirit and not of the human…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Here is a summary of what I had presented prior. All words and phrases in the paragraphs are mine to emphasize or to show alternative definitions. The alternative definitions were presented in more detail in prior posts.

The essences according to you
A1

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

I posted my replies on the wrong forum: “The ordinary Jesus Brigade”  I guess I should repost it here

You:

I have spoken about 2 Corinthians 5 extensively. The verses are clear if you apply Paul’s words with Paul’s words. Romans 7 in particular makes it clear. Paul despised his own mortal body, he desired to have an immortal body. He knew that if he died and his body decayed (dissolved) he would rise from the Me: I have reconciled the scr…[Read more]

You Quoted me:

You gave 2 Corinthians 12 and then said,
“a. Man caught up into heaven with a body
b. Man caught up into heaven without a body.
A man caught up into heaven without a body occurs after Pentecost after death. Death (Heb 9:27) occurs for some before Christ returns and for some when Christ returns (those alive at that t…[Read more]

Hi Jodi:

You:
You are not finding hidden truth in scripture when you take a line out of context and have it mean something that it does not mean, it is especially not the truth when it so greatly CONTRADICTS other passages. TC people are BLIND to the truth, when they are blind they create superstitions, when they are blind they invent their…[Read more]

Hi All,

Thus:

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and “we” shall be changed.

Me: Who is “we”? The “we” has to be the whole church. “we” is our spiritual essence with or without our bodies. Our spiritual essence is our minds with…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Here is the reconciliation:

How do you reconcile A1 and A2 with B1, B2 and B3?

A1
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall (appear) incorruptible, and we shall be changed (we and not our bodies).  We receive new bodies of the holy spirit and not of the…[Read more]

Hi All,

When I say the saints “alive” at Christ’s return must die first, I mean in their bodies and human spirits, not of their minds and hearts in the spirit of God.  This never dies if they endure to the end.

Hi Jodi,

Here is a summary of what I had presented prior. All words and phrases in the paragraphs are mine to emphasize or to show alternative definitions. The alternative definitions were presented in more detail prior.

The essences according to you
A1.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

Hi Nick,

You:
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God .Rom 8.14

Me:

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

We are begotten of the holy spirit in our minds and grow. We cannot sin there. in our spirit…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

1 Cor 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Me: Paul is speaking about his vision.…[Read more]

You: TC, one thing that this passage for certain does not say is that some man went to paradise receiving eternal life, or anything else of the sort, he received “unspeakable words” and such was received through a vision/revelation. During the vision did God literally transport the man’s spirit into heaven to hear it, or did he hear it on earth…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

.You: No. Those alive in the Spirit now will not die when the Master returns.

Me: They will not die in mind and holy spirit, but their human bodies, spirits, and hearts will. They will receive new hearts and bodies.

Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

You: No. Those alive in the Spirit now will not die when the Master returns.
They have already passed over from death to life.

Me: They have passed from death as an initial step. They have received the earnest or pledge of the spirit.

New American Standard Bible
2 Cor 1:22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a ple…[Read more]

Hi All,

I am sorry that I rushed the last posts in the library, for I was under a time constraint. I would like to clarify a little bit.

2 Cor 12:1 (NKJV) It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast.  I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago–whether in the body I do not know, or wh…[Read more]

I am in the Library using their computer.  I need to do something on my computer some time this week to be able to post here again.

You,

Why not just us the straight forward scriptures and make sure all the other scriptures a lines with them, example. Jesus said , JOHN 17:3….”and this is life eternal that they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU HAVE SENT.”, and again, scriptures like ” 1Ti 2:5….”For there is “ONE” GOD, AND “ONE” MEDIATOR BETWEEN…[Read more]

Gene,

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ (Romans 6:7-8) shall (appear) first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be…[Read more]