Hi Jodi,

You: The message in Jude 1 is ALL about MEN who have sinned and their punishment. The chapter doesn’t go from talking about man, to then celestial messengers, to then man again. We have account of prophets who were said to be in God’s abode, but then spoke lies, and so God cast them out into darkness. Go read the book of Jeremiah, you…[Read more]

Hi All,

God created everything good in the beginning—this includes the angels.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hi All,

Ezk: 28:1 Son of man, say unto the PRINCE of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Ezk 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I…[Read more]

Hi All,

Me: Does man not do good and evil? Is man’s behavior purely evil?

Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their t…[Read more]

Hi All,

Eph 2:1 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Me: It is the common man’s spirit with the heart of the devil that gives life to his flesh.

2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded t…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

Good post brother, but I think I will elaborate a little.

Jer 17:9 The heart (3824) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
3824. lebab inner man, mind, will, heart

Definition of heart: the central or innermost part of something, the inner man.

Me: Is our innate heart more wicket than all? Is…[Read more]

Jodi,

Me: You still have shown me how Ezk 28:14 fits in with your scheme that the righteous angles do no sin. You can’t and are arrogant and proud and stick to your error.

Ezk 28:14 Thou art the ANNOINTED cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the s…[Read more]

Jodi:

You: I have no contradiction just the understanding of Hebrew language and thought. You see things like a Greek philosopher. Like a so called converted pagan trying to fit NT authors into their preconceived beliefs, of whom many actually despised Hebrews. You follow a doctrine made of men who excommunicated or even murdered Hebrews who…[Read more]

Jodi,

1 Cor 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:..29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Job 42:1 Then Job answered the YHWH and said, 2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. 3 Who is he that…[Read more]

Jodi,

You: I have not contradicted myself. I think you need to do a word study on the word evil in Hebrew “ra”. This is the problem I spoke about earlier that you have, you don’t understand the original Hebrew word, and the context given in a passage accordingly.
The difference here is you say the angels are sinful; they oppose God and man,…[Read more]

Gene:

You: Anthony……yes our sins come from us, and it is us who are held accountable . Another good post by Jodi.

Me: I think it was an awful post by Jodi.  It was not only unscriptural but lacked sense.

By the way, you have still not answered my question above relating to this verse but instead go rambling all over the place with your nonsense which you pass off as understanding.
Ezk 28:14 Thou art the ANNOINTED cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the…[Read more]

Jodi,

And Yes, Satan is appearing in God’s presence. It is scripture.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Let the below website explain this. Fire your stupid minister.

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Divine-Counci

I will not comment o…[Read more]

Jodi:

You: How would this adversary be any different than the the evil angels spoken of in Pslams?
Psalm 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. 42 They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy. 43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of…[Read more]

Gene:

You are asleep

Hi Jodi,

You: God was SORRY in Genesis that He made HUMANS because their imaginations were wicked, the the thoughts of their own heart was wicked. God brought the flood to DESTROY them, not so that the giants could die and then become wicked spirits to go around giving wisdom and influencing man to do evil. Just absolute FOOLISHNESS is the…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: There are NO wicked spirits or fallen angels that give knowledge to man, or that incite man to do evil.

Me: You are wrong!

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils,…[Read more]

You: Man is said repeatedly to sin from his OWN imagination, his own heart, that it is he himself that devices wickedness.

Me:

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Me: Man uses his own heart and…[Read more]

Jodi:

You: There are NO wicked spirits or fallen angels that give knowledge to man, or that incite man to do evil. God gives man knowledge and wisdom, the Book of Enoch speaks lies denying what God Himself says He has given to man, wisdom of workmanship. Man is said repeatedly to sin from his OWN imagination, his own heart, that it is he…[Read more]

Hi Jodi:

You: TC, don’t you realize that Jews that went whoring after other gods, meant that they had FALSE beliefs about gods? What do beliefs about gods pertain to? Blessing and Cursing is what they pertain to.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That t…[Read more]