Rev 17:10 reveals the time of it's taking place

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  • #843288
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8……You are right in saying new truths do come forth but what good is it, if the people who hear it don’t  precieve it?

    God has shown me some real truths that are not known in general, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME BEING ANYTHING SPECIAL, but for some reason he has given me the understanding of them. He can do that with anyone he choses to reveal them to, but what good does it. If it falls on deaf ears,  very descouraging, I know know what Jesus and the deciples and prophets of old felt like . But none the less even if it is for a witness, it must be put out there, even if it produces no intrest , I can at lest not be accused of burying what the Lord has given me.

    I have clearly shown you what Rev 17:10, also what 2ths2  is saying, and look at the reaction of this, there no rejoicing, no edification, just truth wasted on deaf ears. Sorrow upon sorrow , all is vanity and vexation of Spirit .

    If only you know what has been shown on this site, by NICK, JODI, AND I, AND SOME OTHERS IN THE PAST,  you would have embraced  it with great Joy.

     

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

     

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    Edj……To him that has an ear let him hear. I know what I have said is “exactly” right, you false belifs that Jesus has already returned and setup his kingdom is pure garbage. Because if Jesus has returned and setup his kingdom on this earth he has sure done a bad job of it.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    Gene,

    You must be “born again” to see the kingdom of God…

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
    Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”(John 3:3)

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj……The physical  kingdom of JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINT’S,  hasen’t  even started yet.  When JESUS COMES WITH great power and glory and Authority, and brings the Saint’s with him, is when it will start, according to Jesus, that is,  and he will gathers the “Nations” and seperate them as a Shepard  seperates the sheep from the goats.

    IT WON’T BE A IMAGINARY KINGDOM , BUT A REAL ONE.  ” For I saw the Lord decend from Mount Paron with tens of thousands of his Sain’ts, to execute judgement in the earth, and to convince all the ungodly of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly commited. ”

    Your belife that because the kingdom of God comes without observation, but is within you, is true to those who are called by God, but none of that destorys the fact that the kingdom of God will also be established by Jesus christ and the Saint’s also. on this earth with great power and athuority.  Many, many, many, scriptures atest to it.

    Besides that what that got to do with this topic?  What I have said about Rev 17:10 is exactly right. Mudding the water will not change that.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

     

     

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    IT WON’T BE A IMAGINARY KINGDOM , BUT A REAL ONE. ” For I saw the Lord decend from Mount Paron with tens of thousands of his Sain’ts, to execute judgement in the earth, and to convince all the ungodly of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly commited. ”

    Hi Gene,

    That is from the book of Enoch and was fulfilled when God delivered the 10 commandments…

    And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them;
    he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
    from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deut 33:2)

    That is what the law does Gene…
    convince all the ungodly of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly commited. ”

    #843308
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj…..wrong again it was Moses “blessings” on the house of Isreal, read the whole  Dut 33:1-29 None of this you are saying has anything to do with the subject, it’s only Mudding the water. Satan works in many way to get minds off the truth.

    Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene

    #843359
     Ed J 
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    You are Confused about prophecy Gene

    #843363
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all……This should show you how simple the words of Rev 17:10 is to understand if you have the right sequences of events.

    Example…… there were seven dollars,  in a pile, five are gone, one “IS” and two are yet to come,  so what dollar “IS” , ANSWER THE SIXTH DOLLAR, “IS” and two more are to come.

    The five BABLYONIAN  empires are clearly described by DANIEL, AS A LARGE “IMAGE OF A Single MAN, all of these have clearly come from one another , because they represent only “one” image,

    1 …… The head of Gold……………………….was NEBUCHNASSER ,    The first kingdom.

    2……The beast and arms of Silver……..was Darius. King of Persia,   The second kingdom, which came out of the first

    3……The thighs of Brass……………………..was Alexander king of Greco/Persian, the third kingdom out of the second

    4……The legs and feet of iron…………….Was the Roman kingdom, the fourth kingdom out of the third.

    5……The feet and toes of iron and clay……….represents the “present day” kingdoms of the world , powerful, kingdoms, but not in agreement.  The fifth kingdom, came out of the  fourth.

    Any good historian can prove these powers all came out of one another. It’s clearly shown in history.

    Now according to Daniel,  the fifth existed until.

    Daniel 2: 34…….”Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet, that were of iron and clay. Verse 35…. then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind cared them away, that no place was founded  for them; and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain (kingdom) , and filled The WHOLE EARTH  , that is the SIXTH KINGDOM,  IT IS THE ONE THAT “IS” in the prophesy, in  Rev 17: 10.

    Notice also  it doesent  say the five proceeding  kingdoms were destoried, but that there was just no place was found for then, thats because the Bablyon kingdom arises again, at the end of the thousand year period and continues for the 7/8 kingdom periods , for 3 1/2 more years , then the end comes.   This should unlock a lot of what is written in revelations  to those who understand.

    Let him who has ears to hear,  hear.

    Peace and love to you all and yours…………..gene

     

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    Gene,

    Christ came during Rome – This is FULFILLED Prophecy

    1 …… The head of Gold……………………….was NEBUCHNASSER , The first kingdom.

    2……The breast and arms of Silver…….was Darius. King of Persia, The second kingdom

    3……The thighs of Brass………was Alexander king of Greco/Persian, the third kingdom

    4……The legs and feet of iron…………….Was the Roman kingdom, the fourth kingdom

    5……Christ, the rock hits statue……………Sets up a kingdom that has no end

    #843392
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj……YOUR WRONG again,  you left out one ….the feet and toes of iron and clay which came out of the iron .  This is the kingdom we are now living in.  The stone hits the image on the feet of iron and clay,  and that is the “FIFTH” progressive   BABYLONIAN kingdom , the rock is the one that “IS” WHICH IS THE SIXTH KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH AND ALSO SETS AND DATES THE TIME BEING REFERED TO  IN  REV 17:10.

    EDJ, Who said the sixth kingdom of Jesus christ and the Saint”s  has a end?   Quite the contary,   Jesus hands his kingdom over to GOD THE FATHER as scriptures says, and it continues for ever.  The kingdom of Jesus and the Saint’s is not one of the Bablyonian extensions, it is the kingdom of God, in the hands of JESUS AND THE SAINT’S.  it never ends.

    Revelations says there are ” SEVEN” BABLYONIAN EXTENSIONS AS KINGDOMS, that shall come on the earth, FIVE plus TWO equals SEVEN,  AND THE EIGHT IS OF THE SEVEN,  THE TWO remaining kingdoms arise at the end and exist for a “short” time while,  3 1/2 years .  If you can understand this, much of revelations falls in place.   Rev 17:10 puts the time of it’s occurring at the end of the milannuial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s.

    I realize your false concept of the kingdom of JESUS is already here on this earth gives you trouble,  but none the less what I have written is the truth, rather you can see it or not.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

     

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Truthcomber. …..There is no world order, there are nations that are as strong as Iron , with nuclear war capibilities. But they are  MIXED WITH CLAY  as prophesied,  by Daniel they are the final powers on this earth before the return of JESUS, they are the Kingdoms of the earth, mixed with iron and clay,  ANOTHER WORDS they are not united as one  world ruling power as the previous BABLYONIAN KINGDOMS WERE.  But broken up in many smaller powerful kingdoms as it is this day. Not a one world ruling kingdom as the previous BABLYONIAN KINGDOMS were.  The next world ruling kingdom that comes on this earth will be the SIXTH kingdom which will be a world wide ruling kingdom, THE KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINT’S.  Which will over power all the FIVE BablyonIan Empire’s  that existed before it. 

    Truthcomber,  don’t go after conspiracy theorists, only leads to dead ends. IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

     

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    Gene:

    You are asleep

    #843969
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Truthcomber. …..Not according to the prophet Daniel, and Revelations.  REV 17:10.  They say exactly as I have written.

    Where is your scriptures that support your “conspiracy” therories?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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    Hi All,

     

    Daniel 2:32 This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

     

    First Kingdom:
    Daniel 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of GOLD.

    Daniel 7:4 The first was like a LION, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

    Second Kingdom:
    Daniel 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee… his breast and his arms of SILVER.
    Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a BEAR, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

    Third kingdom:
    Dan 2:39…another third kingdom of BRASS, which shall bear rule over all the earth…
    Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a LEPOARD  which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    Forth kingdom:
    Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as IRON breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it BREAK IN PIECES  and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ CLAY, and part of IRON, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the SEED OF MEN but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

    Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of IRON; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to SHIVERS  (pieces): even as I received of my Father.

    The toes and feet are of the nephilim. They are a mix of the “seed of men” and of the angelic.

    Me: The legs of iron in Dan 2:40, 44 are of the same realm or the iron in Rev 2:27, and they shall rule with a mighty hand or “break into pieces. So the two legs are two spiritual entities that are stronger than man and shall rule with the power of iron.

    Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns…23 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things

    Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    Me: These are the ten toes of Daniel 2:41-43. They are the nephilim. The two seeds shall not cleave to each other. The Nephelim will not rise.

    Young’s Literal Translation
    Isa 26:14 Dead — they live not, Rephaim (Nephelim), they rise not, Therefore Thou hast inspected and dost destroy them, Yea, thou destroyest all their memory.

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    Fifth and last kingdom:
    Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold;…

    Me: The five kingdoms  depicts world ruling kingdoms. Although the kingdom  of God started with the arrival of Christ and then his church on Pentecost, it was  not a ruling kingdom at that time.

    Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is (in the midst)  of you.

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    The First leg of iron in Dan 2:40:

    Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in HEAVEN; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    Me: This beast is cast down from heaven

    Rev 12:9… And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him….

    #844098
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    Hi All,

     

    The second leg of iron in Dan 2:40:

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their FIRST ESTATE (746. arché: origin), but (620. apoleipó: abandoned) their own habitation (3613. oikétérion: abode, dwelling) , he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    2 Cor 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house (3613. oikétérion: abode, dwelling) which is from heaven:
    3613. oikétérion
    Thayer’s Greek Lexicon
    STRONGS NT 3613: οἰκητήριον
    οἰκητήριον, ὀικητηριου, τό (οἰκητήρ), a dwelling-place, habitation: Jude 1:6; of the body as the dwelling-place of the spirit, 2 Corinthians 5:2 (2 Macc. 11:2; 3Macc. 2:15; (Josephus, contra Apion 1, 20, 7); Euripides, Plutarch, Cebes () tab. 17).

    2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/2-4.htm

    2 Peter 2:4 (bible Hub) if for___God [the] angels having sinned not spared but in chains of gloomy darkness having cast [them] down to Tartarus delivered [them] for judgment being kept.

    Me: These angels will appear again (as shown immediately below) during the last days.

    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    Me: This is a fallen angel with a kingdom of angels. He WAS in the world before he and his angels sinned in Genesis 6. He was not (IS NOT) in the world when John wrote the Book of Revelation. He  was in the bottomless pit (yet is) when John wrote the Book of Revelation.

    Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apolly


    Me: Unlike the  first beast, Satan in Revelation 12 that gets kicked out of heaven, this one ascends from the bottomless pit.

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    Hi All,

     

    The Two Beasts:

    Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    First beast (Satan):
    Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    Second Beast (Apollyon.):
    Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit

    Me: Thus Apollyon in Rev 17:7 is the IMAGE, although not the express image, of Satan Rev 12:3.

    Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    Me: Apollyon is of the seventh kingdom is the eight beast and in charge of the fallen angels from the abyss.

    Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it. 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    Rev 13: 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    Me: The forth beast is a worldwide kingdom and incorporates all the kingdoms of the world from Daniel 7:4-6.

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    Hi All,

     

    The third Beast

    Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    Me: I believe the two horns (two legs of Daniel 2:33) represent Satan and Apollyon. I believe he is the false prophet. These three are the last three horns of Daniel.

    Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

    Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him (the beast) a mouth (false prophet) speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Me: The false prophet is the beast’s mouthpiece.  He shall make war with the saints

     

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    TC…. you as Edj, completely left out the FIFTH KINGDOM, of IRON AND CLAY. you treat it as if it were part of the fourth kingdom of just iron.  Also you neglect to understand all the kingdoms mentioned by DANIEL come from the proceding kindom’s. Of BABLYON. ONE FLOWS INTO THE OTHER.  There are five kingdoms mentioned there not just four as you assume.

    ROME, WAS THE FOURTH KINGDOM, which was  from the THIRD KINGDOM, of ALEXANDER THE GREAT, which was from  the second KINGDOM OF DARIUS the Persian Kingdom which was from the first kingdom of, KING NEBUCHNASSER .

    today there is no part of the Roman Empire in existences at all, but  all the world kingdoms that exist today,  have the power of iron, but do not operate as one single kingdom. We are in the fifth kingdom  of the prophecy of Daniel. 

    The rock (sixth world ruling kingdom)  will soon appear, it is the world rulling kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s , that is the kingdom that stricks the image on the fifth kingdom made up of feet and toes of iron and clay. 

    If you UNDERSTAND THIS then the Rev 17:10 will begin to make sense to you.

    Why do you think it does not say the kingdom of Babylon or the IMAGE WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED? Because  it was retained untill it reappears again AT THE END OF THE SIXTH KINGDOM ( thousand years)  it is the seventh kingdom and a resurection of the  Bablyonian empires, and the Eighth kingdom is part of it, but they only last for three and a half years, then comes the end,  Jesus will turn over his kingdom to God. Just as it is written.

    TC…… If you don’t understand that the fifth kingdom on this earth “is” the kingdom of iron and clay, there is no way you can understand the prophesy of Rev 17:10 . 

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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