Gene: Please go to “The Creations of Genesis 1 and John 1 Revised for my response to your latest critique of last post.

Hi All,

Here is the litmus test:

Jubilee Bible 2000
1 John 4:2 In this know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus (me:salvation) Christ (me:anointed), is come in flesh is of God:

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted…[Read more]

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am YHWH and beside me there is no saviour.

Me: To affirm the second post from here above.

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the MEDIATOR of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity…[Read more]

Gene:

You: Are you trying to turn Jesus into a deity or a God, OF SOMEKIND? The word messiah simply means anointed one, nothing more or less, to me, Moses and the seventy elders, and other leaders like King David and the prophets were also anointed ones. What makes you think the word messiah has any different meaning?

Me: And don’t forget that <…[Read more]

Gene:

You: Not really sure what you are driving at, but Jesus to me is not God, nor is he God’s word, even though he does speak GOD’S THE FATHER’S WORDS TO US.

Me: Jesus together with his Father is one God.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:…

John 14:20 At that day ye shal…[Read more]

Gene:

You: So when he recieved the anointing of God’s Holy spirit, he became one with him and so do we. Jesus is refered to as a High priest, and so are we. A hight prexist represents God , but is not himself a deity or a God, right?

Me: NO, WRONG AGAIN! Show me the scripture that says the church members are all HIGH PRIEST.

Heb 10:21 And h…[Read more]

Gene,

You: TC…..We are joint heirs with Jesus, of “all things” we are one with God the Father and Jesus, just as it says as he was so are we. Jesus is not the Father, he is the Son a completely different person, apart from God, who God anointed with his Holy Spirit, just as he does us.

Me: NO Gene, just because the Son of God came later…[Read more]

Hi All,

Christ was worshiped as God because all the events that happened in his life on earth had happened already before he was here.

A son always comes after a Father.  Christ is the only Son of God directly from God.  The rest of mankind are adopted through Christ.

Hi All,

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Me: Bing born again can only happen after the glorification of the Messiah in heaven. Then we can be baptized of the spirit of God with the soul of Christ in it and resurrected into a new life.

John…[Read more]

Gene:

You: And again, Jesus said unto Peter “blessed are you Simon Barjoni, because flesh and blood” , (Jesus was flesh and blood) “did not reveal that unto you, but my Father who is in heaven has “reavealed” it unto you, and I say unto you, you are Peter, (Jesus had that reavealed understanding from the Father also) , “and.

Me: NO!!! The s…[Read more]

Gene:

You: God the Father is himself saving us, he “alone” is our savior.

Me: No Gene, God is one spirit now consisting of the soul of the Messiah in it. This is the new husband. I have shown you this.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 12:32 And I, if…[Read more]

Gene:

You: TC……one is your teacher even the “anointing” this is referencing GOD’S HOLY SPIRIT, it is God the Father who teaches via his “Holy spirit”. Remember Jesus said no man “can” come to me except the Father draw him, and again… “you shall all be taught of or (by) GOD. We (those who of the truth) are all being taught by the spirit of God…[Read more]

HI All,

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are…[Read more]

Hi Edj and T8,

You two forgot to state these verses:

Young’s Literal Translation
Romans 4:17 who is father of us all (according as it hath been written — ‘A father of many nations I have set thee,’) before Him whom he did believe — God, who is quickening the dead, and IS CALLING THE THINGS THAT BE NOT AS BEING.

Young’s Literal…[Read more]

Hi All,

A few more points of mine need to be clarified.

John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go (not “go back”) to the Father.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto…[Read more]

Hi All,

One more thing: I need to make a couple of modifications to be of good conscious.

First, the mind and heart of the Messiah grew in the spirit to become one mind with his Father through the holy spirit (Word). This is still the old husband of the Old Testament. Then when the Messiah had died in mind and spirit, it was as if the old…[Read more]

Gene and Jodi,

I will not likely respond to your comments for a while at least.  I think I have exhausted my explanations to you both.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no savior.