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Gene,

Nick is right we all struggle because as Paul said these are bodies with sin in them, which we all have, they must be destoryed,

Your misunderstand Paul because he is not a Gnostic and that is a Gnostic statement since they believe the physical world is a flawed creation and God said human beings, including their physical bodies were a very good creation. In addition Paul also teaches the creature is freed from corruption so that it becomes a new creation and the old is destroyed.

Now if i am saved by grace through faith; and that not of or from myself it is indeed a gift from God Eph 2:8

We have already over and you had no answer to my points so why bring it up again?

You might want to consider reading Acts 18:27.

It might help here if we made a complete study of what Paul said here reguarding our present state OF EXISTENCE . WE as Paul was, are wating for that rightiousness to come, We haven’t yet attained it.

Why do you believe Paul taught Jesus lied for Jesus promised that those that believe in him would be freed from slavery to sin. Jesus also stated that anyone who sins is a slave to sin. Either one can stop sinning is this life and Jesus tells the truth or one cannot and Jesus is a liar and therefore neither the Son of God nor the Christ.

The angel also stated that Jesus would “save his people from their sins”, Matthew 1:21. If he does not do that then the NT is untrue.

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AndrewAD,

Jesus does come to us as he states in Jn 14:18 if we received his Spirit; which is God’s Spirit that the Father gave to him.

He is not speaking of his physical presence but of his Spiritual presence.  Physically he is still in heaven but Holy Spirit serves as his agent on earth.

It is one of may times that he is speaking of the unity of the Spirit and he expects his hearers to understand.  Nick refers to it as the Anointing but I am not sure that is the proper term.

I suspicion he spoke in riddles because he believes that a student that solved them was more likely to remember the lesson.  Elsewhere he implies that those that are truly interested in following the gospel will solve them.

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Nick,

‘He who has died has been freed from sin’

This is true of all human beings as the dead do not sin.

For one to be freed from sin they must be freed before they die.

Paul is encouraging believers to have complete faith that they were freed from sin when they were immersed in Jesus Christ.

It is about believing God can and does do the impossible and he chose to do it through Jesus Christ; whom he made Lord and Christ.

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Gene,

I serves no purpose to argue over words.

You keep defining free will as random will. Random will is not free will because free will requires an individual to be subject to their own will and not to random chance.

Going by what Jesus stated we can make a choice that originates at a superior part of us than our wills for he submitted his will to God. I fairly confident it is just a figure of speech to reveal he chose the Spirit instead of the flesh.

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Gene,

kerwin….JESUS SAID, “NO” man , “CAN COME”, unto me except the Father “draw” (from the Greek word drag) him”. That to me is saying it is not within a man , from his own so-called “freewill”, to chose CHRIST on his own.

You are missing information. First Jesus promised each human being that hungered and thirsted for righteousness that they would be filled. Hungering and thirsting for righteousness is in a human being. Just as a thirsty male is drawn to drink and a hungry woman to eat so to is one that hungers and thirsts for righteousness drawn to the light of the gospel of Christ. On the other hand those love darkness are pushed away from Jesus Christ because there deeds are evil. I call those free will but you would say they are influenced by their deep desire for righteousness or their love of sin.

Here is a paraphrase of Jesus’ words:

Psalm 42:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks,
so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

Here is a second witness:

Psalm 119:131Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

131 I opened my mouth, and panted:
for I longed for thy commandments.

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Princess,

God has spoken to most nations but over time his message was corrupted. The Jews managed to keep it non-corrupted though confusing in some parts. Even then they had a hard time doing it.

Just as there is but one God there is but one way of salvation but even then God judges according to the heart and takes in account mitigating and aggravating circumstances.

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Princess,

The texts you mentioned in the head post do not predate the bible though they do predate some parts of it. They are from the first period when certain Jews were chasing after false gods. Solomon, called the wise, was very tolerant of false religions as were a number of his dependents. King David may have been more of a conqueror than one seeking religious purity. The evidence is that he conquered other people and there is no evidence in Scripture of any attempt to convert them.

It is only during the Second Temple Period that the religion was purified more though even then they had Hellenistic influences.

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Princess,

I am convinced that Scripture teaches that the husband is supposed to be the head of the household. The wife is to have a lower rank and so defer to him. He one the other hand is support serve her as Jesus serves the church.

Even in a household some males, such as laborers, children, kin, etc. hold lower rank than the wife. Rank is also determined on age.

“women are sub servant to man” is too general of a statement. I am not even sure “subservient” is the correct term for the relation between a husband and wife.

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Princess,

The real Jesus Christ is a human being so to serve Jesus that is the one true God or even an angel is to serve the delusions of one’s own mind. That in turn is serving one self.

In addition Jesus serves us not we him. It is an idea that our society had gotten in part as we believe rulers should serve the people. It is gotten in part because our desires cause confusion.

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Princess,

The language of what you quoted sounded feminist. Our society has adopted some of language while still retaining the old meanings.

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Princess,

Had a thought tonight when one claims Jesus as their God, does this reflect one now serves man?Had a thought tonight when one claims Jesus as their God, does this reflect one now serves man?

They do serve man when they do so but that man is not the real Jesus Christ.

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Princess,

YHWH and HIS Asherah

You do realize that is another way to say Asherah and Her YHWH. A possessive is used to reveal a social contract not possession. They would possibly be highly offended if you even suggested to them that is meant ownership as they had slavery.

If the possessive is removed then so does the evidence suggesting the two were married.

Note: Feminism is a political doctrine and like others of that sort is subject to twisting the meaning of words to suit is particular message. As followers of the one true God we are to avoid such pitfalls.

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AndrewAD,

I do not know much about Asherah except that she pops up in various religions of the area with various names. She is also claimed to have fallen from the sky in the form near the city of Byblos. I do not think she is the goddess called city but the tendency of the people of that time to slap multible names on a person confuses the issue.

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Princess,

The bible condemns the worship of Asherah. She is considered the queen of heaven and like El is involved in a number of ancient religions of the middle east.

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AndrewAD,

The Canaanite and Hebrew religions are confusing and like today some sects/traditions seemed to borrow from the other religion. Sometimes El translated God did have a wife but in at least some of those case she what the city. Even in Scripture there may be such references but it is considered symbolical. Even to this day we have disputes about what is symbolism and what is real so probably did Ancient Canaanites and Hebrews that dwelt among them and succeeded them in the Holy Land.

Jehovah is the Hebrew name for El and was not used until the time of Moses according to Scripture.

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Ed,

Old English is probably a dead language and possibly extinct and may have been dead when the original manuscript of the AV of the KJV was written. The English we have today is considered a modern language as it still has native speakers.

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AndrewAD,

The Spirit does not give heavenly bliss in this world. It can give joy but I think even that is tinged with sorrow for those that will not inherit the kingdom. In addition the knowledge that all sin is malevolent and that it is common causes a maturing Christ more grief and perhaps anger as one matures. There is also glimpses of paradise.

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AndrewAD,

Jesus cannot make anyone come to him so why would we think we can. Those that will be saved through the new covenant will come to him because they hunger and thirst for righteousness while those that love sin will not come to him. The best a believer can do is speak the true message boldly and strive to remove obstacles from the paths of others.

You are correct we were not speaking of evangelism.

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Nick,

The Spirit of the Son worships and serves the Father.

rom 8.15

That is why we are instructed to walk according to the Spirit.

It takes time and our cooperation before the Spirit dwelling in believers manifests.

gal 4.19

The verse is speaking of children in Christ who are not yet mature.

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Jarl,

Yes, the holy spirit leads those who seek true.

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