Kuntillet Ajrud

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     princess 
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    http://www.lebtahor.com/Archaeology/inscriptions/kuntillet%20%20ajrud%20inscriptions.htm

    ‘Now, you may be asking, especially if you have seen any papers or books written up on the subject, or online sources, why do I translate it as, “by YHWH and by Asherah”, instead of the ever popular, by YHWH and HIS Asherah? That is because there is no linguistic reason for the HIS. There is no pronominal suffix showing possession for either his (e) or hers / its (d) at the end of AShRTh. Biblical archaeologists don’t want to admit to a goddess Asherah being worshipped, much less alongside YHWH or as his consort, as in other religions. Other archaeologists are trying to fit this into a patriarchal and sometimes monotheistic box, so if they say, “and by his asherah”, they can make it an object, such as a wooden pole, which is how they explain the Asherah in the temple of YHWH in the Tanak/Bible. But the Hebrew clearly is written L (by or of) YHWH and L (by or of) Ashrth (Asherah). There is no “his” or “its” involved here. ”

     

    #816742
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    So the Hebrew god in ancient times had a wife/consort? And it was new scribes and priests that made him divorce her? Makes sense to me but maybe he still saw her in secret to produce a  heavenly son.

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    AndrewAD,

    The Canaanite and Hebrew religions are confusing and like today some sects/traditions seemed to borrow from the other religion. Sometimes El translated God did have a wife but in at least some of those case she what the city. Even in Scripture there may be such references but it is considered symbolical. Even to this day we have disputes about what is symbolism and what is real so probably did Ancient Canaanites and Hebrews that dwelt among them and succeeded them in the Holy Land.

    Jehovah is the Hebrew name for El and was not used until the time of Moses according to Scripture.

    #816748
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    Princess,

    The bible condemns the worship of Asherah. She is considered the queen of heaven and like El is involved in a number of ancient religions of the middle east.

    #816749
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    AndrewAD,

    I do not know much about Asherah except that she pops up in various religions of the area with various names. She is also claimed to have fallen from the sky in the form near the city of Byblos. I do not think she is the goddess called city but the tendency of the people of that time to slap multible names on a person confuses the issue.

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     kerwin 
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    Princess,

    YHWH and HIS Asherah

    You do realize that is another way to say Asherah and Her YHWH. A possessive is used to reveal a social contract not possession. They would possibly be highly offended if you even suggested to them that is meant ownership as they had slavery.

    If the possessive is removed then so does the evidence suggesting the two were married.

    Note: Feminism is a political doctrine and like others of that sort is subject to twisting the meaning of words to suit is particular message. As followers of the one true God we are to avoid such pitfalls.

    #816751
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    Hello Kerwin,

    It is of no surprise to me that such things did occur. Male and female are both human why would one not think we would not see them as Gods. The creators. Need both to create life.

    What I have found to be at bit interesting some consider Baal to be a female deity.

    Had a thought tonight when one claims Jesus as their God, does this reflect one now serves man?

    Perhaps that is one reason why some fight so zealously to prove his divinity, just a thought.

    What are your thoughts?

    #816752
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    Feminism is a far cry from studying female deities Kerwin.

    I am by far not a women of that nature. I love wearing dresses and hats, purses and shoes that match. I do prefer to be posh and polished in most areas of my life. Have a side business while working a full time position. Smile when I hear or see my family. That is not a feminist. That is consider being feminine. Please do not confuse the two Kerwin.

     

     

    #816756
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    Princess,

    Had a thought tonight when one claims Jesus as their God, does this reflect one now serves man?Had a thought tonight when one claims Jesus as their God, does this reflect one now serves man?

    They do serve man when they do so but that man is not the real Jesus Christ.

    #816757
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    Princess,

    The language of what you quoted sounded feminist. Our society has adopted some of language while still retaining the old meanings.

    #816759
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    They do serve man when they do so but that man is not the real Jesus Christ.

    Could you expand a bit more on this Kerwin.

     

    #816760
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    Kerwin, going out on a limb here. I am taking it that you think women are sub servant to man. Is this due to the bible or your own personal experiences? Is that why you throw out the word feminist?

    When texts are found to pre date the bible that give us clear pictures of what deities meant to humans in that era, do you not consider them to be fact.

    Why could God not have a wife, most Gods did at that time.  To accept such would definitely put a damper on some religions. So many have just brushed such under the rug that now you can’t avoid the mountain, it has to be faced and conquered. One cannot reject there were god and goddesses and these gods and goddesses are what gives modern day society their religions today. Even Christianity.

    Do you think the spirit of truth to be so selfish that it only come forth at one moment in time and hasn’t been known since. It was only written down once when a group of ‘holy men’ came together to appease a emperor. What a great trick to contain humanity from truth, give them one book and tell them you can’t go outside the lines or you’ll surely lose your soul. Throw in these are gods we have chosen for you. Give it a good shake and there you have it and these are the ones that tell you to come out of Babylon.

    No wonder there is so much psychosis running rapid these days.

     

     

     

    #816762
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    Princess,

    The real Jesus Christ is a human being so to serve Jesus that is the one true God or even an angel is to serve the delusions of one’s own mind. That in turn is serving one self.

    In addition Jesus serves us not we him. It is an idea that our society had gotten in part as we believe rulers should serve the people. It is gotten in part because our desires cause confusion.

    #816763
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    Princess,

    I am convinced that Scripture teaches that the husband is supposed to be the head of the household. The wife is to have a lower rank and so defer to him. He one the other hand is support serve her as Jesus serves the church.

    Even in a household some males, such as laborers, children, kin, etc. hold lower rank than the wife. Rank is also determined on age.

    “women are sub servant to man” is too general of a statement. I am not even sure “subservient” is the correct term for the relation between a husband and wife.

    #816764
     kerwin 
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    Princess,

    The texts you mentioned in the head post do not predate the bible though they do predate some parts of it. They are from the first period when certain Jews were chasing after false gods. Solomon, called the wise, was very tolerant of false religions as were a number of his dependents. King David may have been more of a conqueror than one seeking religious purity. The evidence is that he conquered other people and there is no evidence in Scripture of any attempt to convert them.

    It is only during the Second Temple Period that the religion was purified more though even then they had Hellenistic influences.

    #816765
     kerwin 
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    Princess,

    God has spoken to most nations but over time his message was corrupted. The Jews managed to keep it non-corrupted though confusing in some parts. Even then they had a hard time doing it.

    Just as there is but one God there is but one way of salvation but even then God judges according to the heart and takes in account mitigating and aggravating circumstances.

    #816784
     princess 
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    Kerwin,

    Your good. Vague but good. So then you agree, if one calls Jesus their god, they then are worshipping a human, which in turn they serve them selves because we are human. Well the verse ye are gods makes a bit more sense now. Twisted sense but all the less, sense.

    No need to sugar coat is Kerwin, Paul clearly teaches men to put women in their place and make sure they stay there. He was the origin of the ‘women haters club’.  Wouldn’t be surprised if he was rejected or had his heart broke by a women, or had mother issues that he carried with him. Which men that have had the same happen to them attach easily to the teaching. Perhaps that is why women are considered a ‘beautiful evil’.

    Figurines of females around 30,000 bc some to be considered goddesses had serpents or snakes wrapped around them.  Then we have the story of Adam and Eve with the serpent in the garden…..strange how those thing work out sometimes. Then again one religion brings on another.

    No one knows the whole matter of it. We take the information we have and process it, then decide. Some continue to search while others stop and find comfort. It is ones own.

     

     

     

     

     

    #816785
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    No Princess I think it was Moses with his scribes and priests who  may be the origin of your women haters club.Women were mere property according to them and Paul took their lead. Read your Jewish bible again!

    #816793
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    Coming out of the ‘garden’ would be more sufficient AndrewD. First male and female were made. Then female was created from male. Really hard to take in when female’s are the ones that give birth in the human species. Then again, if you don’t succeed the first time, try again.

    I haven’t read the bible in years AndrewD. I took what was given from the book and moved on. I couldn’t stay, I would not drink the blood nor eat the flesh & without that you do not belong among them.

     

     

     

    #816828
     AndrewAD 
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    Yes Princess the different creation stories of Genesis should plainly tell us something.

    As should the different”Eucharistic” stories. Remember,eating the flesh and blood is just spiritual even if you just eat the carnal elements of bread and wine-or grape juice.And according to St Johns gospel the flesh and blood are just spiritual words without the symbolic element even.

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