Barley,Thank you for what you have written. I plan to take some time to think on it.

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 18 2011,15:23)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2011,15:28)Georg,I made two points in responce to the post you state you believe I had not read.The first is that body and soul and not the same since they are mention as two parts of a whole.The second is that human beings particpate in the devine nature by living according to the Holy…[Read more]

Pierre,I am not sure what you mean by saying I excluded the heart of anything God is or does, or says.Perhaps this covers it.The spirit fills the heart with God’s love and also guides the thoughts of the mind with that same love.  In this way it teaches a disciple to obey all things God commands,.

Irene,You may agree with Gene but you do not agree with the following two scriptures who speak of the ghosts of martyrs that will come to life at the time set by God. There is no mention of ghost demons in scripture. There is mention of ghosts; which are the souls of the dead. Jesus speaks of ghosts in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.…[Read more]

Gene,Scripture makes it clear that there is a difference between the soul and the spirit though translators, like many, are confused about which is which. The spirit is the councilor of the human soul as Jesus calls the Holy Spirit the holy councilor. The soul is the essential human and thus when destroyed means the human is no more. Here is…[Read more]

Mike Boll,We both agree that the spiritual body is material in composition. I do state that I believe Paul was only addressing mortal flesh and blood which is why he made the point the all flesh is not the same. Have you not read what God stated about his creation of man on the sixth day? He said man was very good. He said that because he…[Read more]

Georg,I made two points in responce to the post you state you believe I had not read.The first is that body and soul and not the same since they are mention as two parts of a whole.The second is that human beings particpate in the devine nature by living according to the Holy Spirit and so much the angels of God.I paraphrased both.

Georg,The only question I did not answer that you asked is what I believe Jesus was before he became human. He was a plan within the mind of God that came to be when he was conceived in his mother's womb.I felt I had that point clear in other cases but perhaps you were not aware of those other posts. Sorry if I offended you by the action driven…[Read more]

Adam,Man is born with a spirit. Is that spirit the spirit of righteousness?Have you studied these things in scripture or do you instead choose to take the opinions of others as true without testing them?I have asked you to look up things in scripture and yet to receive evidence you have.

Irene,Many scriptures state there are ghosts.  That is why the disciples of Jesus believed he was a ghost that was sent back from the grave.  It is also why he ate and allowed himself to be touched as proof he was alive and not a ghost.   As I pointed out previously, a ghost is merely the live soul of a person who has died and who has not yet be…[Read more]

Georg,Good scriptures. I strive to hold to them and beg God to give me a heart to do so.

Pierre,I believe the soul is the essential person but the heart is the emotional center and the mind is the mental center. I believe the spirit is what guides the person because Jesus teaches us that is what the Holy Spirit will be to those who believe.If I understand you correctly that seems to be similar to what you also are stating though I…[Read more]

Georg,Jesus taught us the body can be destroyed but not the soul, Matthew 10:28. If they were the same then destroying one would destroy the other. Only God can destroy the soul. In additions Psalms 31:9 speak of both the soul and body growing weak with grief.Those that believe in Jesus participate in the divine nature through the promises of…[Read more]

Georg,I do not read what is written on my heart, emotional center, and on my mind, mental center, but I do live them. In the case of the first God creates in me a pure heart, Psalms 51:10, and a steadfast and willingly obedient mind, Isaiah 26:3 and 1 Chronicles 28:9.The spirit accomplishes what the human nature of the people of God could not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2011,17:02)Irene,Could you please consider the words in Acts 1:3 which state “After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive.”  So it follows that God states Jesus gave many convincing proofs that he is alive to his disciples.  Some of these proofs he gave to prove he is…[Read more]

Gene,Have you considered the argument Jesus made to point out the Sadducees were in error on the resurrection. If those we consider dead because their body is dead then why does God state the yet live if their essential self, aka their soul, is not living. Scripture uses soul to mean creature in the case of the creation of Adam and at other…[Read more]

Irene,We have previously discussed many of the scriptures you quoted and what I understand when I read them or hear them spoken is not the same as you understand. That is as it may be. Resurrection means returned to life and that means we will be a live human being though a new kind of human being. Scripture never makes the case that human…[Read more]

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Adam,Have you been listening to the decendents of Sadducees of late?Since the first death is called “rest” in the Old Testiment. The final death is the death of the soul which merely rests after the first death.