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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Moses Body 14 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 30 2012,20:12)To all…………(ALL) of the PATRIARCHS including Moses “DIED” and NONE of them has RISEN they like all mankind that has died are waiting a “resurrecting that will witness the redemption of their bodies”. Just that simple and the rest of this stuff s just speculations brought on by false assumptions.…[Read more]

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    Gene,Flesh and blood means men who lack the Spirit of God.  It is also used to distinguish the mortal body from the Spirit enlivened body; i.e. the spiritual body.At least some angels are shown to have material bodies and so it reasonable that at least some of their fallen brethren also have material bodies.  As far as I know only ghosts and God a…[Read more]

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    Quote (charity @ April 30 2012,06:54)Quote (kerwin @ April 30 2012,10:01)Charity,'Even a child is known by whether there is conduct is loving”.  Your conduct is not; even though you may think it is.  If it was then you would not level false accusations or judge by your measures.God judged the hearts of Cain and Abel when they sacrificed and C…[Read more]

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    Frank,John is not the only one of the First Century that spoke Philo, a Jew of Alexander, did also.  Philo called the Word, the first born Son of God.  Philo clearly teaches the Word is a non-person personification.Quote Of particular note are his references to The Logos as the Divine Reason, by participation in which humans are rational; the m…[Read more]

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    Charity,'Even a child is known by whether there is conduct is loving”.  Your conduct is not; even though you may think it is.  If it was then you would not level false accusations or judge by your measures.God judged the hearts of Cain and Abel when they sacrificed and Cain's motivations were unloving while Abel's demonstrated love.So do you b…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,21:58)Quote (kerwin @ April 28 2012,16:57)The only way to get around these paradoxes is to conclude that Jesus transformed and then crawled into Mary’s womb; therefore he was not conceived there; even though Scripture states he was.And what word would YOU have used, had YOU been the angel talking to Mary?How w…[Read more]

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    Charity,It sounds like you are jealous of Abel; just as Cain was.  The sin he embraced, instead of resisting the evil one, led him him to commit murder.  This has become an example how embracing one sin leads to another.  Even after Cain murdered his brother God hoped he would have a broken spirit and a contrite heart for he warned him that sin wa…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,15:18)Hi KW, Certainly he may have needed baptism in the Spirit.Nick,That is what I was getting at.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,15:20)Hi KW,Certainly his resurrection showed he was the Son and one who was prophesied to come and Peter expounded this in Acts 2-3Nick,The Spirit of God gave his body life.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Moses Body 14 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,15:23)Hi KW, In what way is it IN A LIKE MANNER?Nick,Enoch was not found because God took him while Mosses grave was not found after God buried him in a known land.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,15:22)Hi KW, There are several places that we do not see.The fact that scripture does not SAY that he died is no proof that HE DIDN'TNick,In this case Scripture not only did not say he died but also tells us what happened instead by making it an alternative to death.  It spells it out for us to show that those…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,15:25)Hi KW,The Spirit is a gift.The planting is in baptism.Nick,The Spirit is the gift of the new covenant that is sealed with Jesus' blood.  Only those immersed by his authority enter therein.  That authority was not given to John the Baptist.

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    Gene:It is written:James 2:19King James Version (KJV) 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.A non-person personification does not believe and react by trembling.Why do you believe this is written:Ephesians 6:12King James Version (KJV) 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,09:12)Hi KW, No details given.So should we make assumptions?Nick,This passage of Scripture does not tell us explicitly where God took Enoch. We know he was not found on earth afterwards and therefore is in another place.Sheol is the land of the dead and Enoch does not dwell or Scripture would state he died…[Read more]

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    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 29 2012,07:49)Quote (kerwin @ April 29 2012,10:57)Frank,The Greek language is not like the English language as Greek nouns and pronouns have a gender.  The gender of logos and associated pronouns is male.  Some translators chose to keep the gender when translating while others do not.  I believe it is more correct to ke…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Moses Body 14 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (942767 @ April 29 2012,04:15)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,08:07)Hi 94, Unusual for you to make such speculations.Joshua exists.Hi Nick:True, but this is the only scripture that I can find which may have anything to do with the scripture about the body of Moses in Jude.Love in Christ,MartyMarty,Scripture declares that God buried Mosses…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2012,01:58)Yes, some of the saved do and will dwell in heaven.Nick, did God take Enoch up to heaven?To all;Genesis 5King James Version (KJV)3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth…[Read more]

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    Gene,I believe you are aware that Jesus has a spirit which loves as God loves.  God takes that spirit with his own Spirit and places it in a believer.  This does not take away from either Jesus’ spirit or God’s but multiplies it instead.A demon has a spirit, just like Jesus does; but it falls short of God’s glory.  The demon uses that spirit t…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2012,05:38)Hi KW, The man is the branch of David and the Word is the root.Nick,That sounds correct.

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    Frank,The Greek language is not like the English language as Greek nouns and pronouns have a gender. The gender of logos and associated pronouns is male. Some translators chose to keep the gender when translating while others do not. I believe it is more correct to keep it since Scripture is known to personalize abstract concepts such as…[Read more]

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