Nick,

Presumption is to presume that the word spirit means composed of spirit in those instances it is convenient to your traditions.

Nick,

God uses me as he chooses. He commanded me to test the spirit of what I hear and believe and so I do.

Nick,

I understand you miss-wrote. I accept your apology.

Nick,

What are you replying to?

Nick,

I trust what God has revealed to me using Scriptures which is why I use them and do no see a need create a new teaching to explain how angels can both immaterial beings and also be touched and eat.

You are the one that holds to you traditions so strongly you need to add to what is written.

Gene,

So what do the following words of Jesus have to do with the words “whoever cries on the name the name of the Lord will be saved”?

John 14:14-17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you…

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t8,

And if having the nature of God and then emptying himself and taking flesh makes him a deceiver, then he must be a deceiver if what you say is correct.

Romans 1:4 testifies that Jesus is the Son of God, as of the Spirit and that was declared with power by his resurrection from the dead.
Romans 1:3 testifies that Jesus Christ is the Son of…[Read more]

t8,

Spiritual is form. There is a flesh body and a spiritual body according to Paul.

Paul did not say that his words are to the effect that there is a soulish body and a Spiritual body. It equivalent to saying there is a godless body and a godly body. He is using a OT teaching that many English language bible obscure because that translate…[Read more]

@admin,

It does run slow and I had internal server error occur again today.

Nick,

The Lord will judge between our teachings.

Yours has a need to go outside of what is written while mine does not.

The spirit of your doctrine does not test true.

Nick,

You have not made a case so it follows you do not have a case but have lost your struggle with sin in you or you believe you lack the knowledge to point out and flaws in my case.

I see no reason to find an “implied” teaching when all I need to do is interpret certain verses differently.

Nick,

Hi KW,

Since much of what you say is based on presumption rather than truth are you not becoming a law unto yourself?

You fail to present a case while I am bold in presenting the case I have as to why angels are not spiritual beings.

You have to explain the discrepancy between why incorporeal being can both eat and be touched and I…[Read more]

Nick,

Gnostic hold the corporeal world is flawed at best. Their angels are incorporeal beings. A number of Christian Gnostic sects were part of the early Christian church. The church of the Roman empire is known to adopt even Pagan ideas or they would not teach the Jesus is God. As you say, come out of her.

Nick,

You assume that because angels may at times seem to be material they all are always?

As I said to t8, there is no reason to add to Scripture when interpreting certain passages resolves the contradiction.

Nick,

Words change over time and so that different words at time encapsulate the same idea.

Paul spoke of the part of that was intellectually aware of the written laws and its struggle with “primitive, instinctual wishes” of the flesh.

Paul’s words reveal the idea existed before Freud was credited with it. He may have even formed his ideas…[Read more]

Nick,

I only voice what I observe. The context of Hebrews 1:7 is not speaking of what the body of either servants or messengers is composed of. It is just the word winds-spirit is included that make the Gnostic argument that angels are non-corporeal creature convincing to some.

The context is God declaring him his chief son (Hebrews 1:5),…[Read more]

t8,

Angels might have the ability to assume both corporeal and non corporeal forms. Really the scriptures do not teach that much about angels.

That idea makes Jesus look like a deceiver as then his tests would not prove he was not a spirit in corporeal form.

The only way to avoid it is to specifically claim Jesus meant he was not ghost but…[Read more]

t8,

But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Have you considered that the words spirits also means “8: a person having a character or disposition of a specified nature”…[Read more]

T8,

Hebrews 1:7&13
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

This is a poor though common translation as both messengers and servants are angels.

Hebrews 1:7 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

7 God said about the angels,

“He makes his messengers winds.
He makes his servants flames of…

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terrarica,

kw

I am not sure what you mean as the apostles did immerse student-followers in the name of Christ. We do not have record of all the apostles ministries.

what I said is clear; one more thing in Matt 28;19 it says also to be baptized in the name of the holy spirit ;what is the name of the holy spirit ? and where in…

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