Hi Gene,

I agree that as it is said in Luke 1:35 in regards to the virgin birth, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee”, that such does not equate Jesus to being anything more than a true human being, the promised son of David. 

But my understanding of Jesus being God’s only begotten Son is…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

Proper debate would be to include the scriptures I gave and address them directly and then apply them to other scriptures to give your stance. You however ignored those passages I gave from 1 Chronicles 17 and Luke 1.

They need to be applied to the passages you gave, 

First you have a son of David and then YHVH becomes a Father unto…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

I’m in full agreement with what Gene said, as I’m sure that is no surprise to you.

ME:

In the vision given to Nathan to give to David there is most certainly NO Son of God that exists yet, there is no Son who is already settled in YHVH’s house yet. There is no Son of God who comes down to earth and becomes adopted into David’s hou…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

Jesus in scripture is called a human and a son of a human multiple times.

He is likewise said to be the son of David, of the seed of David, the offspring of David, of the fruit of David’s loins, all which makes him of the seed of Adam and Eve. 

Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

YOU: This procedure shows that Christ was not descended from Adam and Eve, but came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven.

ME: Maybe you have already addressed this and I have missed it.

The passage below from Luke says that Jesus IS the son of Joseph, as people had believed him to be, and Matthew 1 gives us the…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

Ah, sorry I misunderstood. Exciting that you are in the process to buy a new house, congratulations! I hope your new phone works better for you until your computer gets set up. When you are writing your post maybe take some screenshots along the way, so if your phone freezes at least you have copies of what you wrote. Would be ideal…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

Not sure where to begin with your Imputation doctrine post.

YOU: This procedure shows that Christ was not descended from Adam and Eve, but came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven

ME: Can you address Isaiah 7?.. how the virgin birth was going to occur for the purpose to be a SIGN unto the house of David, so to…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

I’m sorry about your computer, using a phone to post can totally suck. Unless I am just posting something quick and short I don’t bother using my phone. I hope your new computer comes soon!

Hi Ed J,

ME prior: So your belief is that God sent a pre-existing anointed spirit son down to earth who could do nothing of himself, and we call him the Bread from heaven as he was born in Bethlehem the house of bread?

YOU: Pretty good you pay attention. Gene does not seem to be able to do that,
maybe he really doesn’t have a “Free Will” like h…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

I apologize for my long post(s).

I need to remember to break things down into separate posts and probably condense within those as well.

Hi Ed J,

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Christ   Christos anointed

What is one anointed with?? The Spirit of God of course!

The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God having been anointed upon you dwelling…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

So your belief is that God sent a pre-existing anointed spirit son down to earth who could do nothing of himself, and we call him the Bread from heaven as he was born in Bethlehem the house of bread? That just seems like an empty doctrine that doesn’t match with profound truth we get from scriptures.

LUKE 4:4 AND JESUS ANSWERED HIM,…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

I am not assuming anything. 

We are given prophecy that first there would be a son of David and then God promised He would be a Father unto him, where God WOULD settle him into His house, never taking away His mercy from him and giving him an eternal throne.

We are given prophecy that first we would have a son of Jesse and then…[Read more]

Hi Gene and Ed J,

We have the same discussion going on now on 2 threads, it’s getting confusing.

I just posted the below on the other thread,

Hi Ed J,

Gene said: If God took the DNA from JOSEPH and enplanted it in Mary’s womb , or just made up the DNA from the linage of King DAVID, it makes no difference, “all thing”, are possible with God,…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

Gene said: If God took the DNA from JOSEPH and enplanted it in Mary’s womb , or just made up the DNA from the linage of King DAVID, it makes no difference, “all thing”, are possible with God, but it still does not change what I quoted, from scriptures. Jesus still was from the Lion’s or lineage of King David even if God caused it to happ…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

This is getting a bit pathetic as you are completely ignoring my questions and not at all countering my points but ignoring those as well. 

Once again you fail to acknowledge how Matthew uses the words GENESIS and GENEA. Those choice words are used by Matthew for the purpose to reveal through whom Jesus is biologically the son of David…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

Neh 9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

Chrio- to anoint

Christos = anointed

Before you become the anointed (CHRISTOS) God has to anoint (CHRIO) you.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed (CHRIO) me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to th…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU:

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in…[Read more]