Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 26 2008,22:06)Hi GB, Did Jesus not understand mental health?Nick, If Jesus believed in the Old Testament and the God of the Old Testament then he would define the demons, 'devine powers' as coming from God. What he would not do would be to define the demons according to the Greeks, which is what the RCC did, and is what…[Read more]

OOPs, I obviously meant to say almost 2,000 years not over 2,000 years.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 26 2008,21:26)Hi GB, You have more or less told us that Jesus and the apostles were limited by their culture and unable to express things that modern minds can now tell us. In so doing you deny Jesus is the truth and the veracity of scripture. Perhaps you can clarify if we have misundertstood because in so doing you have…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2008,23:12)Hi Jodi, The spirit of the world.The fruit of such is all shown in Gal5Hi Nick,By nature we are said to be children of wrath. It is not said that some supernatural evil force whispers to us or jumps in and out of us and causes us to be children of wrath.Ephesians specifically tells us that the spirit that is…[Read more]

WJ you said, Again Jodi, we do not need a translation of the translations. The scriptures generally are to be taken literally as they are without special pleading and inference.If we are to take scripture literally as you say, then Satan means adversary, not the proper name of some invisible supernatural being. We should use the context of the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2008,22:31)Hi Jodi, They were not led of the Spirit of God. Neither was Peter. Neither is every man whose speech is not pure. Let your yes be yes… Mt5My question was, by what spirit do you think that they were led by?

The first question from WJ that he has been waiting for me to answer was, 1. How do you explain that the Greek shows the evil spirits doing the action as LU has pointed out.To answer, I do believe that it was the evil spirits that were doing the action. It is the identity of the evil spirits that we have a disagreement with. While your view of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 25 2008,21:27)Hi GB, Did he?Of what spirit were the sons of thunder?Luke 9:55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.Hi Nick,So of what spirit do you believe were the sons of thunder?Also, If Peter was a Satan for having in mind the things of men, why is it exactly that we…[Read more]

Numbers 5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:Does this scripture represent that there is some supernatural being out there that roams around possessing people to be jealous? No, the spirit…[Read more]

Hi everyone!I have been working on a post now for awhile in response to WJ's questions. It is turning out to be quite lengthy and I think I should try a different approach if we are really going to get somewhere with this topic.The past week I have been evaluating countless numbers of scriptures. Yesterday and today I have been looking…[Read more]

Hi WJ,I am almost done with my post answering your questions. Hopefully I will have it finished tonight or at least by tomorrow. Thanks for your patients. Peace to you, Jodi

Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 14 2008,10:05)Hi Sis Jodi,Welcome back it's a good post indeed. I appreciate your concern on this thread 'Satan'. But why don't you share your thought on 'preexistence' ?Love to youAdamHello to you too brother Adam!Thanks so much for your kind words and encouragement. I will indeed try and make my way over to the…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 14 2008,22:24)Hey Jodi,Don't mean to interupt your debate – just wanted to say hello and glad to see you here.Carry on! MandyHey Sis,Hope your doing well. So happy to hear from you. I have been pretty busy lately, as I am sure you can relate. I do wish I had more time to spend on here. Love to you, Jodi

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 05 2008,13:35)Hi GBQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2008,14:05)WJ…..then why rebuke Peter then if he wasn't the one doing it. Jesus didn't say get behind me you Satan that is IN YOU Peter did He. Peter was coming from a worldly view point which was in Him , he therefore acted and spoke that way as all men do who do…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2008,12:46)Hi JodiThanks for your response.Since you say that I am of the Harlot and blind, and imply also that the 100s of Greek and Hebrew scholars and commentators are also blind, and pretty much everyone else on this sight are all of the harlot, and that you are the only one with a brain and the truth, I doubt…[Read more]

Here are some things to keep track of, -the evil spirits never leave the bodies on their OWN accord, they are cast out by Yeshua’s commands. -they FOLLOW Yeshua’s commands-those who are possessed are said to be troubled or suffering from the evil spirit-those who have the evil spirit cast out are said to be healed or cured-the evil spirits who are…[Read more]

WJ you asked,” Is there anyway an honest person can read this scripture and infer that these demons or unclean spirits were sickness or mental illness and that Yeshua is telling mental illness to go out into the abyss? Why all the extra biblical use of words?Why doesn’t the scripture say he healed their minds of mental illness, or he healed the…[Read more]

O.K WJ, I am back for another round!I must say I am rather confused by you. I am yet to hear a biblical explanation from you or Nick of just what these demons are exactly? Can you tell me using scripture what they are, where they came from, what their purpose is? How is it they get their powers? Why is it that we see no example in the Old…[Read more]

Hi WJ and everyone,I have been working on a post in response to WJ, but have been really busy, hopefully I will have it finished later today or tomorrow. Our hike on the Rogue River this year was fantastic. We had the largest group ever, which gave me more worries, but everyone did awesome, and we all had a great time. We did see one black bear,…[Read more]

The word heaven in Revelation 12 could not possibly represent God's kingdom, but is representative of the kingdoms of men who have High power and who believe they are above all else. As I have mentioned before, the idea that an angel in YHWH's presence could make war against Him in His Holy and righteous kingdom is absurd, and it completely…[Read more]