Andrew, your time spent with trinitarians and Pentecostalists has served you well in ingratiating their disingenuous ways.

The most dangerous type of person is one like yourself who speaks the truth out if one side of his mouth and slips in a lie from the other side.

You don’t even know how to present your case with your own experience.

Re-read…[Read more]

Andrew, you ‘Have a form of godliness’ but not the observational wit to follow it through.

To wit:

1) I did not say the Holy Spirit BECAME anything. I said that it is what religious cults like Pentecostal portray it as.

2) You claim I misrepresent trinitarians but it is clear you have absolutely no real idea about this specific Christian cult.…[Read more]

Andrew, your points of discussion suggests to me that you are not a worthy nor credible Christian debator.

LU, you said:

“Perhaps you are quoting from one of these verses which is technically not translated like you wrote it according to the original language.

Psalm 2:7 “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Acts 13:33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He rai…[Read more]

Andrew, where are you living? Which world, I mean!!

Have you not seen Pentecostal literature? Art work depicting the holy spirit as a dove?

And you want to debate on Christian belief?

Creating your own doctrine and trying to defend it against the truth of scriptures is a hopeless cause.

Where does any scripture suggest that Almighty God ‘incubated’ another God in himself and then gave birth to him?

Lu, has anyone so far agreed with anything of your personal doctrine?

Jesus was born a man in the manner of Adam. That means…[Read more]

I think you are straining the point of the thread.

I asked if Jesus every SPOKE God’s name.

I suggested that Jesus would not have feared speaking God’s name while, for instance, quoting from the Old Testament.

Remember also, that the reason the Jews feared speaking God’s name OUT LOUD was that ‘Yahweh’ had been used and abused as a means of…[Read more]

I think (know!) that you are wrong to say that the Old Testament scholars did not say god’s name.

Your opinion just goes to show you do not know what you are saying.

God’s name ‘Yhwh’ is used extensively throughout the Old Testament. In virtually every bible you will see God’s name written as a substitute of ‘LORD’ (all capitals). Check the…

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Yes, Andrew, the gospel of John is highly suspicious as you point out.

Terra, I have heard (read) it said that you will argue with God himself. I see now it is true.

Terra, what is the name of the man whose title is ‘The Christ of God’? How is it spoken? And NO, it is NOT “Jesus”.

“Jesus” is an ENGLISH INTERPRETATION of the HEBREW for ‘Joshua’. BUT NO-ONE finds any difficulty in Mispronouncing that true name in…[Read more]

Hey, Ya’ll, I’m just joining the discussion so bear with me.

What is: ‘The False Church’ in your opinions

My take is that it is ‘Christendom’: the false teaching about Christ Jesus…aka, ‘Catholocism: the ‘Holy?’ Roman Catholic Church full of falsehood from which all trinitarian churches feed.

LU,

The Father is SPIRIT.

The Angels are SPIRITS.

Jesus is HUMAN.

Jesus is called ‘Son of God’ and is also ‘Son of the Father’.

God and Father (different TITLES of the  most Holy One) DOES NOT PROCREATE.

He only CREATES.

Therefore, ‘Son’ does not mean an offspring of his Spirit person.

It means ‘Someone who DOES EXACTLY what the God and…[Read more]

LU, you replied to Andrew, saying: “Good post. I agree that the Son was the only born son from eternity. I believe that the Son always existed within the Father and then at one point, as the Father’s first work, the Son was begotten (brought forth) from within the Father before creation and therefore became the firstborn over all creation as all t…[Read more]

Hi LU, you say that anything that comes from something else cannot be eternal YET you say that Jesus came from God…

Moreover, since Jesus is THE SON ‘OF’ GOD this necessitates that Jesus be an offspring – and therefore NOT GOD himself: A branch OF (or OFF) a tree is NOT the tree it is the branch of (or OFF).

In the same way, the children OF…[Read more]

Hi t8, you said, “What I said earlier was firstborns are literally firstborn unless they give it up or lose it. Jesus is the final Adam because Adam sinned. Another person sold his birthright for a meal. I was saying that the default is the oldest unless they lose it or are not worthy of it. Not sure this is 100% right. If not can I have an…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup,

You said: “Being one with the Father is not what made the Son to be God. It is His divine and eternal essence that makes the Son to be God.”

Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ‘divine and eternal essence’. Surely a verse says that ‘the Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with …the…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup, part of what you said was:

“Man can never become one in essence with them because man is not eternal. Believers will ‘partake’ of the divine nature but cannot ever be equal in essence to the Father or the Son who have always had the divine nature. One who must be ‘renewed’ in order to ‘partake’ can never be equal to whom has always…[Read more]

To get back on topic, I asked a trinitarian a very critical  question regarding their claim that ‘The Son is EQUAL to The Father’.

Equality is commutative. The question therefore is this:

‘Is the Father Equal to the Son’?

To this day I have not received a reply that addressed that question. Yes, there were words and arguments and phrases – and…[Read more]

Oops, sorry, I didn’t mean ‘Jesse’ for Joseph’s Father. I meant, Jacob, obviously. And Joseph was the last but one Jacob’s sons.

please accept my apology for this inarticulate error.