Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 21 2011,02:25)Adam……….I think the question is not the righteousness contained in the LAW, because it is righteous and even Paul acknowledged that. He says the law is holy just and Good and in another place he say the Law is Spiritual ,  but he was carnal etc. We all concur with that i think. But the problem in…[Read more]

Hi brother Kerwin,I know very well the meaning of righteousness but I don't agree with your way of using 'spirit of righteousness'. Pouring of God's Spirit is for some thing more than what you are quoting here. Please read the articles I have quoted above you will notice how the writer of Hebrew twisted Hebrew scriptures to prove his ideas on New…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 20 2011,15:10)Mike Boll,I am glad you understand my take on about resurected humans have a immortal flesh blood body that is from heaven.  I believe I also understand yours.  I believe angels come in more than one kind and some kinds have flesh and blood bodies.   I do not believe all do.It is too much to claim that he…[Read more]

Here is another argument on Melchizedek to be manWas Shem Melchizedek?Jasher 16:8-12 (Compare to Genesis 14:12-21)And Abram recovered all the property of Sodom , and he also recovered Lot and his property, his wives and little ones and all belonging to him, so that Lot lacked nothing. And when he returned from smiting these kings, he and his men…[Read more]

Here is another full clarification on Jer 31:31,32“Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD “The Church uses these verses, along with the writings of Paul in H…[Read more]

Please notice the difference between Jer 31 and Heb 8.

Jeremiah 31:31,32DOES THIS PASSAGE FORETELL THE (CHRISTIAN) NEW (Covenant)TESTAMENT? A comparison of the Christian and Jewish perspectives indicates that they cannot both be valid. Though the Jewish perspective clearly demonstrates how this messianic passage has not yet been realized, there still remains the issue of the nature of Jeremiah's…[Read more]

Sorry brothers Tim and Ed, please don't go into personal attacks. we are here only to debate on certain issues which are not so clear in our Bible. I think both of you are having truth in you and I am to ready look forward for that truth to learn from you.Thanks and peace to youAdam

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 19 2011,19:44)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 18 2011,16:23)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2011,20:39)Adam,Spirit of righteousness is the driving force of the soul.  Compare it to the spirit of arogance, or rebellion, etc.   Since true righteousness comes from God the spirit of true righteousness also comes from God.  The last I knew Jews te…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2011,18:28)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 19 2011,18:23)'Vicarious atonement' means divine atonement I am sorryAdamHi Adam,Vicarious atonement does NOT mean that, you are reading into the definition!Vicarious: 1) performed, exercised, received, or suffered in place of another: vicarious  punishment.2) taking the place of another…[Read more]

Please send me a copy of that e-book you wrote I will go through it and come out with my comments. Please understand the illogic of NT writers on Vicarious atonement which is not grounded on Hebrew scriptures. This is my request.Thanks and peace to youAdam

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2011,18:13)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 19 2011,18:08)Here is the Jewish view on Lev 17:11 as well as on sin atonement.http://www.outreachjudaism.org/response.htmlHi Adam,My question is why do you say: 'Lev 17:11 is not vicarious atonement?'   …Not why does someone else says.                 I DON'T CARE WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAY…[Read more]

Please see the article I quoted above for your clarification on why I don't agree on vicarious atonement for sin of Adam (Original sin).

Here is the Jewish view on Lev 17:11 as well as on sin atonement.http://www.outreachjudaism.org/response.html“……Missionaries have conveniently severed this verse from its original context, effectively concealing and distorting its message.In the immediate context of Leviticus 17:11 we find that the Torah is speaking of the prohibition of…[Read more]

I am sorry brother Ed,I have not agreed with you on Lev 17:11 being vicarious atonement and I can't agree with you on Isaac sacrifice or Abel's sacrifice as for sin atonement.

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 19 2011,17:16)Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: (OT)  This is the blunder of the writer of Hebrews stating that animal blood never takes away the sins which God ordained. He made God a liar.

I am well aware of that it talks about animal blood for the atonement of human life in the context of Israel. I don't see any human blood for such atonement.

Lev 17 Context is about forbidding eating of animal blood.

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 19 2011,16:11)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 19 2011,15:50)They are no proofs for sin atonement at all.Lev 9:7   And Moses said unto Aaron, Go unto the altar, and offer thy sin offering, and thy burnt offering, and make an atonement for thyself, and for the people: and offer the offering of the people, and make an atonement for them;…[Read more]

They are no proofs for sin atonement at all.