Berean….. A branch is part of the vine, they are the same thing as the  branch is the extension of the vine, but it is the Spirit (sap)  that flows through it that produces the fruit. That Spirit is of God, it is not “of” the vine, but of God. Spirit  flows through the vine and branches. Neither is Jesus  the God that is “in” him,  God is n…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..will and belife are not senomous, you can believe you must do something, but apsolutely not want to?  There is no such thing  as a “freewill”,  that is an OXYMORON.

I realize you don’t understand that as you don’t obviously understand my last post , about “Top down  “causation” ,  it appears.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

Proclaimer……Top down “causation”,  I believe the Spirit of God works “causation”, by giving us our cognisities, causing our wills to function the way they do. Life is a function of  “cause and effect”,  IMO,   

Peaceand love to you and yours………gene

Carmel…..The seed Jesus was sowing was not himself,  no scripture says Jesus is the seed of God, he sowed the seed, but a sower of seed is never himself the seed.

John was talking about the seed of God , as the “sperma” of God, or simply put the “Spirit” of God , equating it to human  sperm, that forms a human being a SON OF MAN,  the Spir…[Read more]

Berean……Proclaimer was talking to me, not you , he just got you mixed up with what I said .

Proclaimer, I will say it again, “all who have the Spirit of God in them are the Sons of God, because the Fathers “seed” abides “in” them, the do,  like Jesus, have the Nature of God, just like Jesus did when he “existed” on this earth. 

Peace and lo…[Read more]

Berean…..Jesus is also called the bright and morning star, so do you believe he is a real star “planet” out in space some where?  Can you see how that logic can take you, Jesus is “called” the word of God because he speaks the words of God the Father to us. It a title given him, but he “himself ” is not GOD’S WORD OR WORDS. 

Peace and love to…[Read more]

Berean….Again you fail to answer my “direct question to you,  I will repeat it again OK,  where does it say anywhere in John 1, that Jesus is the word of God or for that matter a God.  You are forcing texts to say what they in fact do not say?

I have shown you over and over “clearly from scriptures, it says, there is but “ONE” GOD,  and “ONLY…[Read more]

Berean…..Please show us “precisely” where a single word says the word of God “is” Jesus? As I recall it says, “in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and “Was GOD”. 

JESUS said, “this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” “TRUE” God”…… Jesus was not speaking about himself , he was talking about some one els…[Read more]

To all……Jodi is right ‘the word “of God”  came into existence , it was  “flesh man Jesus”.  Jesus was and is the word of God “himself”  he is “called” the word of God, as a nickname, why?, because he tells us God the Fathers Words, just as he said. “the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY WORDS, but the words of “HIM” that “SENT” me.” …[Read more]

Mike….the light was the Spirit of God, it is what enlightens “every man”,  this light came to be fully placed on The “man” Jesus . 

The fulness of the light was “in” Jesus, remember when Jesus said this , “the Father is “in” me?  And Jesus by his Faith was “in” the Father,  Yes GOD WAS IN THIS WORLD THIS WORLD BEING “IN” The “man” Jesus…[Read more]

Proclaimer,  this is not a strawman argument because  you not only believe Jesus came in the flesh , but you believe he can from another existence as whatever, you have never told us what that was, because you have no scripture support for your theology.  Our argument is not about Jesus just comming in the flesh, it is about he never preexist as…[Read more]

Berean,  again you are doing exactly what Satan wants you to do, preach a Jesus that is “different” then we are.

Can’t you understand Jesus did not preach the power of “his” word but it is God the Father who uphold “all things by the power of “his” word”  you not remembering  what Jesus said ,  “the son of man can do “NOTHING” of himse…[Read more]

Berean…..I do believe he is a being that does exist, and is the “only” creator of all that exists.  I personally have never seen God, But I know he exists by him answering my prayers and he has directly spoken to me several times in my life.

Berean the problem with many is they look at the Word “faith” more like a supasition, like I supose…[Read more]

Proclaimer……God’s word is purified seven times,  are there not “seven Spirits” of God?  each Spirit Produces it’s own “cognisity”.  

Jesus has been given the seven Spirits of God and is therefore able to judge and rule by them.

Rev 1:4 , Rev 3:1, Rev 4:5,

Rev 5:6…..And I beheld and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beas…[Read more]

Berean…..A physical persons aperance has  nothing to do with the nature in them.  Those who have the “nature ” of God the Father are those who have  his Anointing Spirit in them, as Jesus did. God and his nature are one and so is everyone who has his Spirit “nature” in them also, thecare one with God , who have his Spirit “in” them, they are th…[Read more]

Proclaimer, please tell us what reason would God have to morph a “preexisting being” and pass him off as a “real” human being.  GIVE US ONE REASON HE WOULD EVEN THINK TO DO THAT.  How would that prove anything to mankind?

Why isn’t it clear to you people God was dealing with mankind, to show us how a “real” human being who was “exactly” in “…[Read more]

Proclaimer,  could it be? Answer no, Jesus “existed” on this earth as a human being with that devine nature “in” him  while hec walked this earth,  or Don’t you believe what he said?,  the son of man can do “nothing” of himself, the Father who is in him, “he” doth the works. Jesus had the devine nature “in” him “via”  the Anointing Spirit of God.…[Read more]

Berean….if I then have his (God’s”) “nature” by his Spirit, given to me,  which gives me, “the love of God” ,  shed around in my heart, “please tell me how would that make me “any” different then Jesus? 

Or haven’t you ever read, “as he is so are we in this world”. And again, 

Eph 4:13…..Till we “all” come in the unity of the “Faith”, and o…[Read more]

Berean….do those who have the Spirit of God in them also have the “nature” of God in them also as Jesus did?

Peace and love to you and yours……..gene

Proclaimer……Jesus do not preexist his birth on this earth, he was and is the “prophesied” human being that was to come from the loins of King David.  Jodi and I have been  trying to tell you and everyone here that for years.  Unless you see Jesus as a 100% pure human being, who came into his “only” being  exactly as we do , through a human ber…[Read more]