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GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
worshipingjesus > why should i leave my understanding to anyone much less to translators who are under certain presuasions of false teachings i am not putting my salvation in any church or organizations hands. God gave me a brain to us and think with and i chose to use it.doesn't it say to study to show (YOURSELF) aproved unto God, by rightly d…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
worshiping jesus > If your interliner Greek version desigrees with mine pleas be specific as to where with reguards to the subject i have mentioned i dought very much they disagree. but it is possible ihave two and they agree with what i said.mudding up the water doesn't help anyone.please be more spicific.
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
not2in1 >..right God created everything through the christos or Holy Spirit not Christ the Man. God plainly says He created the heavens and the earth by himself and He uses the word by (myself) and i believe myself means no one else was with Him. bible students need to understand how word meannings can be changed by captliations and also by puting…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
t8 > what you quoted is right but here's the problem. All greek writing originaly were translated using captial letters and the refference of the word christ is especually difficult. If we Captlize the word Christ we mean Jesus the person but if we don't we mean the anointing or holy spirit.there is a place that say's that Christ was that rock…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
Hi Nick > let's think about what you quoted in JN 14 it shows Jesus was certainly the way, and spoke the truth and you can't go to the Father any other way then the ( way ) Jesus did. Jesus was only saying the way he was doing it was the one and only way to be accepted by the Father. again you glorify the messenger but it was not about the…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
nick > please answer my question if Jesus is the word then why did he say in three places the words he spoke were not his. would that not disqulify him as being the (WORD) please explain this to me,if you can. thank you for responding.

GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
hi nick> if you would have said, should Jesus not spoke the word of God i would agree with you because Jesus certinly spoke God's word to us, but it one thing to say he spoke the words of God to us and another to say he is the word of God. this is where all the confusion comes from because if you say he is tha word of God then you have to say he…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
t8> i think Paul says Jesus was the second man Adam i can't find it right now but ill try to look it up. not sure though.

GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
nick . > Yes John heard and saw the word and handled it , what was it he handled and saw and heard in the beginning was it not in the written word that was read and taught in every Jewish community,and was it not the word of life written in those scrolls what was John showing them it couldn't have been Jesus because when that was written Jesus…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
nick . > Yes John heard and saw the word and handled it , what was it he handled and saw and heard in the beginning was it not in the written word that was read and taught in every Jewish community,and was it not the word of life written in those scrolls what was John showing them it couldn't have been Jesus because when that was written Jesus…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
t8 > the problem existes with the word (became) ask yourself what does that really mean, if you check it out you will find it means came to be, came to be how? seening its impossible for any word to be flesh because a word is not FLESH. so what is the next logical conclusion is it not the word came to be (IN) flesh , yes the word was in Jesus…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
t8 > the problem existes with the word (became) ask yourself what does that really mean, if you check it out you will find it means came to be, came to be how? seening its imposablt for any word to be flesh because a word is not FLESH. so what is the next logical conclusion is it not the word came to be (IN) flesh , yes the word was in Jesus and…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
not3in1 > you are right they people who make Jesus other than a man and worshipping him as such are denying the Father and the son. and robbing God of His glory and are antichrist.
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
not3in1>. you are right, the plan and Will of God was in the beginning. Ill try to make my paragraphs better thanks for the advise and the encouragement.:)
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
worshiping Jesus > your premmice is based on Jesus being the word and mine is that God own word spoke every thing into existance so without God nothing came into existance and Jesus said that God was the ONLY true God. that means there are no other true God's notice the word ONLY. and part of that God was his word, and a Word is not a person or…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
nick> yes he was seen by angles and men that doesn't mean he existed as a being pryer to his berth on earth, lets look at another example cyrus who was preordaind and named and told every thing he was going to do. he was born for the perpose of fulling God's will and their are many examples of preordination before they were born, king David said…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
worshiping Jesus> PETER SAID Jesus was ordained at the foundation of the world BUT>..Was Manifested in our time. Being ordained ment what he was to be, a prophetic statement ,and manifested means to bring forth Jesus was prophesied in the beginning when God said the womens seed would bruse the head of the serpent, but he did not come into…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The word and the flesh in the forum Truth or Tradition 19 years, 2 months ago
nick> if you hold to the word as being a person and not simple an expression of an atribute then you must also conclude that the Word as a person is God because it say's the word was God a trinitarian concept. the problem comes with captialization of words because doing that can through the meanings of sentences of for instance there are many…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Love in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 2 months ago
nike Hassen > I have heard that word love throwen around in so many way i can't count . we are told not to love the world nor the things in it, and to love good and hate evil. I once heard a sermon on how love was not an emotion but an intellengent desion based on knowledge alone. but i have come to see that love is full of emotions, true love is…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Universal Salvation in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 2 months ago
to all > what do you do with the text that say's if thy eye offend (pervent) you cast it from you for its better you enter into life with one eye than to have two and be cast into the fire where the worm doesn't die and the time of their torment never ends. i believe the worm is our own stubern will's and if we are not willing to put them to death…[Read more]
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