martain…….amen brother. Jesus is God the Father's perfect man, a finished image of Himself, which is the destiny of all mankind, brought about by the effectual working of God Himself.peace to you and yours…………gene

Nick…..wrong again> Eze 3:18> when I (God) say unto the wicked, thou shalt (surely die) and thou givest him not warning, the same wicked man shall die, but his blood will I require at thine hand. read also Eze 3:19-20. Again God is not willing that any parish, but all come to repentance. And again every mans work will be tried and if He has…[Read more]

lightenup…….> please tell us what profit it would be to have produced a already perfect person, wipr out His memory have Him reborn and live a perfect life. What kind of example would that be to me or anyone else. NO, God brought forth a purely Human Man Only, with no advantage over anyone else, other then God was with him at birth. All who…[Read more]

Nick…….I was in the wwcg for seven years until God showed me the errors of their teaching. When is was in there there was this sense of belonging to the special group of God only true church because we though we had the truth and the rest were false churches. You had this sense of being special as all cults and organized religions do, the JW's…[Read more]

Nick……..all wickedness shall be eternal destroyed, that does not mean the person himself will be. When a wicked person truly repents His evil is eternally destroyed, but the new person goes on to eternal life. Whosoever does not bare His Crucifixion can not be Jesus disciple. Those who have put their Will's to death will not suffer loss, but…[Read more]

Nick….You are right God hardens some people and softens others for His (WILL) and purposes so where's free Will In all of this. But where does it say those He hardens are eternally lost or for that matter where does God say He will hate Esau for ever. Fact is there is no such thing as free Will we are all required to obey God it not up for…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 09 2008,21:45)Quote (david @ Mar. 09 2008,08:01)I think a bit more research would be good, t8.  Only 1 out of 200 Mormons are engaged in the ministry.  True, that 1 out of 200 goes hard core for a couple years, and then, they're done.You won't find them in countries preaching where it is illegal to do so.  JW's are currently pr…[Read more]

Nick……Ask yourself who would have the most to gain by these false teachings of preexistence and Trinitarian concepts, it would be Satan of Course, He doesn't want us to believe God actually took a ordinary human being and enpowered him to live a perfect life. He wants us to believe Jesus had advantages over us by his preexistence and there by…[Read more]

Nick…….God did not Kill Jesus and then rebirth him in Mary, He was simply in the Plan and will of GOD from the foundations of the earth. Peter Had it right when He said, Jesus was foreordained before the foundations of the earth (BUT) was manifested (brought into existence) in our time. What would be the point in bringing a reincorinated being…[Read more]

Daivd……Your wrong fire does not mean eternal destruction in the scriptures, it means purification as for instance when Gold is put into the fire and purified. ” Now concerning this (FIREY) trial that has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you”. Here trials are compared as fire. And again every mans work shall be tried by…[Read more]

david ……Jw's use those teachings to control people and get them fearfull in order to get more members, The firey trials that have tried us as if some strange thing has happened unto us, is the same trials that will try the rest of man kind only more severely . God himself is the (CONSUMMING FIRE) just as the scriptures say. WJ's are taking…[Read more]

Mr. Steve……. where does it say man will eternally die, we know it appointed unto man to once die, and then the judgement. This is where i believe Christians get off track because most have been taught that Judgement is a bad thing, and those who are found sinners in this life will be dammed to eternal fire and go into a lake of fire that will…[Read more]

martian……Amen brotherpeace to you and yours………..gene

Quote (martian @ Mar. 03 2008,01:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2008,04:38)Paul…. said as concerning the law he was blamless, but yet went aroung killing Christians and haulling them of to Jail, so by the odedience to the Law sure didn't stop him from persecuting the church did it. He concedered Himself the greatest of all sinners, because He…[Read more]

Paul…. said as concerning the law he was blamless, but yet went aroung killing Christians and haulling them of to Jail, so by the odedience to the Law sure didn't stop him from persecuting the church did it. He concedered Himself the greatest of all sinners, because He persecuted the church. He went on to say He concedered it all dung that he…[Read more]

Mr. Steve…..> Who did come of their own Will. Were you born of your own will, And while a word alone doesen't have a will, it certainly came from a Will, and it is connected to the will of the person who spoke it.IMO……gene

martian……..Nick or anyone else cant answer you because they doin't know, it's like you say it's their assumptions based on a preconcieved idology. Preexistinest and Trinitarians are in the same boat and used the same unprovable teachings.IMO….peace to you and yours………gene

martian……Amen brother……Jesus only preexisted in the (PLAN) and Will of God, untill he was actually born. Peter said it plainly he was ordained before the world, (BUT) was manifested in our time. Preexistenest and Trinitarians are all in the same boat, there beliefs support each others theology.peace to you and yours……….gene

Quote (martian @ Feb. 23 2008,10:41)I acknowledge that the examples I gave were simple ones. Since the subject is the Trinity let me go a bit more detailed. Hebrews see things and view their world through the five senses. They see how things function and describe them in the same terms.The following verse is often used to prove that Jesus is…[Read more]

Chipwhite……> the word for camel in Aramaic which was spoken at the time of Jesus, means rope, what Jesus was saying was, puting a rope through a eye of a needle. Peace to you and yours……..gene