Wj….Again you have skerted around the direct question i ask by asking all kind of other questions. I ask you what good would it be if God took a perfect God who walked perfectcly himself because of some supposed preexistence, what hope or gain would that be for us humans, Seening he would (NOT) be (Exactly) like Us. Please answer Just this…[Read more]

WJ…..The problem we have here is shifting from one subject to another with out settling anything. Lets….Deal with this one question and nothing else, What good would it be if God took another God and He walked perfectly on the earth, How can we gain Hope from that, Seeing He (really) would not be the same as us? Lets not shirt or divert to…[Read more]

WJ…… no matter how much proofs you get you just won't except them why, what good would it be if God took another God and he walked perfect on earth. How do we gain hope from that seening he would (really) not be exacltly like us in (every) way. You steal glory from the Father and give it to Jesus. Jesus did not save himself it was God who…[Read more]

martian……amen brother.peace and health to you and yours……….gene

WJ…….> Your criticism of me and martian is unfounded we have both given you solid explanations for what we expound, you and others constantly imply meanings to texts that are not there, you simply put them there to fix your own Trinitarian belief systems, but you cannot find any absolute statements to back up you suppositions. If Jesus…[Read more]

Lightenup……> the despite what WJ and his 200 scholars say the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the bible by Jeff Benner puts it this way…….> B-RA, means to fill:, the fattening or filling up of something. The filling of the earth in Genesis 1 with sun, moon, plants, animals,ect. And the filling of man with life and the image of God. (vf: Paal,…[Read more]

lightenup…… Go to Jeff benner's web sit and check out the Hebrew word create, you will find there is no Hebrew word for create, in fact the way the first sentence of Genesis should read is this way,> in the summit “Elohiym {powers}” fattened the sky and land. So you can see martian's point. I fact please show where Jesus every said that he…[Read more]

To all…..Here's a question that might seem off subject, but if you can answer it corretly you will know who and what Jesus is and who and what God the Father is.What is GRACE? It's not as obivious as you may think.

Actually the word in Hebrew was first Avram…..Meaning (Father raised) and God changed it to Avraham….Meaning (Father lifted), sorry just found it out myself, i though it was ,Father of.good gess, seek and you will find……….gene

Nick …..> in Jeff benners book on the mechanical translation of Genesis He explains what it meant to the original Hebrews. Here's the first sentence of the book of Genesis….> in the summit “ELOHIYM” {POWERS} fattened the sky and land. In other words the powers or Spirits as we know them were fattening or filling the sky and land. I believe…[Read more]

what does the name Abraham mean(a)….faithful(b)….believerÂ….bearded one(d)….father of

Nick…..there are things written in the bible that were not in the original scriptures, retaining God in our knowledge does not mean we need to believe everything we read as absolutely true and accurate. It's almost impossible to translate one language into another without error, not to mention the scriptures were influenced by trinitarian…[Read more]

martian…….I agree with you we need to come to see things through the eyes of the language used when they were written, it will open up the true meannings of the Scriptures, and i have come to see there is a big difference in how we look at things and the way the way the original writter saw them.Nick…….I have started a word for word and…[Read more]

To all…………I think martain is more frustrated then anything else, I have experienced the same thing here. We all want to hold on to what we (think) we know, but the truth is we Know nothing like we UT to Know. If we hold to our opinions with out opening up to other possibilities we close off and can not grow. God spirit should be guiding us…[Read more]

Martian…… I have a request of you, would you go to Finding Believers web site and explain your views on some of these subjects.peace to you and yours…………gene

Tim………There are some religions that believe they are not the (ONLY) real Believers in God, But a Cult convinces its believers they are the only ones and they (only) Have the truth and the rest of other religious organizations are servant of Satan, or just blind. The whole idea is to exclusive there members from others, giving them the…[Read more]

To all…….> Jesus was the first (COMPLETED CREATION OF GOD) Jesus was became the first to image God through God creative process in Him during His lif on earth. He indeed is the first completed creation of God, with many to follow untill all will eventually be saved BY the Same God that saved and perfected Jesus into His very image. And what…[Read more]

Lightenup……. The Glory Jesus had with the fathers before the beginnings of the world was is the planned Glory God had for Jesus before He every came into existence. People who believe in man's self salvation by their (Free Will) choices don't like to think that God does call and cause things to work in accordance with His own Will. He…[Read more]

David……JW's are a cult the operate just like a cult does. They make their believers fell like they are a exclusive special group, the only true ones, they play on this idea, we are the ones who have the real truth and if you belong to our group you are in the in club. Everyone wants to feel special and they make their members feel that way,…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Mar. 13 2008,02:37)Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 12 2008,14:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2008,11:27)Hi Nick,I am a mere woman, correct.  I am a mere woman without a past existence and history before conception  Jesus was a man but He was a man with a past existence and history.  That is not the same, in fact, BIG, di…[Read more]