Quote (Not3in1 @ April 30 2008,06:50)To me, if Jesus didn't have a choice, his sacrifice means nothing to me.  Nothing.Even as I type this there is a stinge of fear attached to the first sentence.  But it's true nonetheless.Mandy…..>remember Jesus was God's sacrifice for our sin's, He was the Lamb of God who God sacrificed for the Payment of o…[Read more]

To all……> God's (GRACE) is what causes us to change, it has nothing to do with “free wills”, “For you are (saved) by (grace) and that (NOT) of YOURSELVES, it is a gift of God. Just be thankfull it's that way, put you trust into your Heavenly Father and don't worry about any thing, we are all going to be saved, ” YET AS BY FIRE”peace and love…[Read more]

To All…… can any of the free will thinkers explain this.”the gentiles who have not the law, but do the things contained in them, showing the law written on their heart (MIND) by the hand of God……> question did the gentiles by their own “free will” to this or did God do it?martian on the trinity web page said i was taking things out of…[Read more]

Tim……I believe also that there is no “Free Will” this subject is so important to understand, because it gives a mind set. Mandy mentioned about us being robots and in some way's it's true, why do i say that?, because perfection already exist and God brings us to perfection through His Spirit. Doesent it say ,”be ye HOLY because I am HOLY and…[Read more]

WJ…….Naturally i think i am right or why would i debate with you on subject matters. Look i will give you that i have thrown up the trinity thing a lot of times because i believe that is there teachings you push and you seemed to not be offended by that. but if it offends you i will restrain from saying that in a drogatory way toward you…[Read more]

Mandy……But notice the deciples Jesus choose didn't leave Him they all stayed, why because God was causeing then to remain because He choose them to be Apostles and none of them went back did they. God simpley was not calling those who left at that time. So they chose what was all ready in them, and that caused them to leave, it wasn't free…[Read more]

Adam ……..I forgot to tell you what i think the second death means. I think it is when people in this life have not had there wills put to death, there wills will be put to death in the reserected second life, and this is the second death. They must experience a physical second death. And another thing the word eternal is a mistranslated word…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ April 28 2008,21:02)Hi Gene,Good posts my brother. I don't know why I am not much convinced on this subject that there is nothing like eternal judgement. Try to explain more on lake of fire mentioned in Revelation 21-22. What exactly you mean the second death ? Tell some thing on 'rich man and Lazarus' told by Jesus.Thank you…[Read more]

one final comment martian on free will, if man free will chooses his out come then why does did God say (I) will take out the of them the stoney Heart and Give them a Heart of Flesh (Soft Heart). Why does God have to do it if we can do it on our own with out so called free wills. And why does it say the Carnel mind is enimity against God and is…[Read more]

Tim, Chosenone, Mandy, Colter, Nick, Gollomudi, and all………………………> this subject is of Free Will in my opinion is one of the most misunderstood subject in Christendom today. It causes a mindset of who is in charge of our destiny, is it us or God, or both, it also shows to what level is the absolute Sovereignty of God in all things.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 29 2008,09:51)Quote (Colter @ April 29 2008,09:19)Quote (TimothyVI @ April 29 2008,08:23)I brought this forward for martian and gene.TimNo, you have no free will, God moved you to bring it forward, it was decided before you were born that you would “bring the thread forward”.    WJ……. what do you call this t…[Read more]

WJ….. Your arrogance matches your picture you use, And your contempt of others only shows your lack of true understanding.You doin't want to engage in serious descussion because it's against your trinitarian views, so you try to make fun of the subject which shows your contempt for others and their views, why doin't you try to be a little more…[Read more]

To all…… When you realize God works all things according to (His Will) and His Will is that (ALL) will be saved and understand that includes everyone ever born,” YET AS BY FIRE” . John said i indeed baptise with water, But he who comes after me will Baptise with Spirit (AND FIRE). That God's way in which we all including the whole world WILL…[Read more]

Chosenone …….amen, God has (chosen) us according to (HIS) Will not our So called (Free Wills) right on brother.peace to you and yours………..gene

gollamudi……..as long as you believe that it's God doing his work in you and causeing you to respond to him in obedience, you have it right, ” For He (God) workes in us to (WILL) and do of His good pleasure. So if it God working in us then it's God causing our choices and He Gets all the credit for it. The word GRACE means, God influencing us,…[Read more]

martin…. your acqusations of me being a Calvinist is a pure lie, i do not support Calvin at all, nor ever have. If John Calvin said there is no Free Will i would agree with him on that one thing, but to say i am a Calvinest is a pure LIE, You have used that as an excuse to not directly confront the issue of (FREE WILL) because you have no…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2008,17:22)Tell me if there is free will in this…And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for…[Read more]

Chipwhite…….What you said is true it what the meanning of “Free Will” is, the meannig as i understand it is to excorsize your Will, without (ANY) causeality what so ever. Because if there was a reason you chose something then there was a cause and it was not the excercising of (FREE WILL) at all. I believe God causes all things to work for the…[Read more]

martain this has nothing to do with John Calvin, if your going to accuse me of Calvinism please explain how this fits Calvinism. John Calvin believed in eternal punishment and other things like the trinity non of which i believe in. If your going to lable me you need to at least get the facts right. The word of God was what i was quoting not the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,18:17)I don’t even know where to start.For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, God's building. (1 Cor 3:9)God draws us by his Spirit, but we freely choose if we want to follow the Spirit’s leading. We work together with God.If what you are saying is true, then why is God letting me…[Read more]