t8…….So you think God gave Adam and Eve the ability to choose, I also believe they had the ability to choose, but the ability to choose has nothing to do with (FREE WILL). There choice was a caused choice, God first of all put the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil in front of them and even put the enticement there to partake of it. For…[Read more]

To all……………..one thing i learned if it's not logical, don't believe it till it becomes logical, other wise your in for a fall, well maybe not a fall, but at least a stumble. God said come let's reason together, showing God is both reasonable and logical. Were does it say we have to believe things that don't make sense. Whats logical, is…[Read more]

theodorej………> I do not believe in (FREE WILL) at all it's not found no where in scriptures. I believe in only one will and thats God's. Get the true meaning of the word (GRACE) and you will see what i mean. Every thing is a mater of Cause and Effect. There is nothing that does not have a cause, and the effect is what happens and God will…[Read more]

theodorej……….well i agree with most of what you said except the last part, I believe if God wills no body parish, no body will either. If we remember (God causes salvation) and has concluded (ALL UNDER SIN) that He might have mercy on (ALL) that leaves no one out. (WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord (WILL) be saved,” (YET AS BY…[Read more]

t8……that's true, the whole creation will be made new. God is not willing any Parish but all come to repentance, and thats exactly what will happen. Why?, because God (WORKS) all things after the council of His Own (WILL). All will be saved (YET AS BY FIRE). John said, I indeed baptize with water but He who comes after me will baptize with…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 04 2008,03:11)Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,00:11)God offers salvation but we choose whether to accept it.God doesn't force salvation on humanity. He allows them to reject him if they want.Gene's ideas are that God “causes” us towards the acceptance of salvation. In essence, we are not in control of this “cause and effect” cycle.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,00:11)God offers salvation but we choose whether to accept it.God doesn't force salvation on humanity. He allows them to reject him if they want.t8……I would have to disagree with you on this point, God does not offer salvation, He causes salvation, it's as much a creation as man himself is. ” fore you are (CREATED) unto…[Read more]

T8………..the word for eternal is a mistranslation from the Greek ,it should be read (AGE) .Do you believe for a moment that God will Throw His created children into a literal ever burning fire and watch them screaming into all eternity in agonizing pain. How can people even imagine such a thing, do you really think a God whose mane is Love…[Read more]

.WJ……remember this if you say Freely chose God way then you have somewhat to boast, and you are one of the (few) who on your own chose Gods way, congratulation you have saved your self, all the rest of humanity with the exception of a very few will Just have to be thrown into the so called lake of Fire and be burned screaming out for all…[Read more]

Mandy…….God didn't tell them to just Kill the animal, He said if they didn't want to (redeem) it to break its neck then. But the bible shows were God did kill lots of people at times for stubberness and rebellion. We have to remember there is both goodness and severity with God. God will always maintain His sovereignty no matter what we all…[Read more]

Cato…..Evil is not in opposition it is just much part of life as good is, the tree in the garden was no just the tree of good but evil also and it was all (ONE) tree. Not two separate trees one of good and one of evil. Evil has existed as long as good has they are (REQUIRED) to explain and give meaning to each other. You or no one else could…[Read more]

To All……….It says's there is nothing new under the sun, if we believe that, then we must acknowledge that includes all knowledge also and therefore no will is original, God is not in the business preserving (OUR) Will's, He's in the business preserving His WILL, “thy kingdom come thy will be done”, it says.So we see there is only (ONE) WILL,…[Read more]

Sorry Mandy,………….> some time when i writting i forget to do that, Ill try to remember to do it.gene

Jodi…..I may not have been clear enough on that part, let me try to explain the reason i stated it. Jodi if we believe God is (ALL) knowing and the creator of all things then that has to include good and evil, why?, because life consists of good and evil, If you notice God told Adam and Eve not to (EAT), the word eat is symbolic for take to…[Read more]

Gollamudi……..Lazarus and the rich man to me shows that suffering is very much part of what God wants us all to experience in this life and those who haven't will in the next life, but the bottom line is all suffer at one time or the other. Even Jesus a perfect Human learned obedience by the thing He suffered it says. But notice it doesn't say…[Read more]

Mandy……..God the father wan't childern he can relate to in a relationship of Father sons and daughters, not just robots but childern, who have experienced right and wrong, so to (cause ) that to happen, He put us in these physical bodies and as a result physical or carnel influences work in us (causing) us to react to things as we do. It was…[Read more]

Jodi……You are right and every thing you showed is what causes the things in our live, so cause and effect is the thing. what ever we do is tied to a cause of some kind. So Free has nothing to do with it as you have shown. Both physiologist, and scientist, have never disproved the cause and effect operation in all things, and that includes man…[Read more]

to all…..the key is the definition of (FREE) Will. The definition i heard was to choose something without (any influence) of any kind whether past experiences or teachings of any kind, it is to pick or choose without causality being presnt. To me that is impossible, so Free Will can't exist IMO. I believe thats why you doin't see the word (FREE…[Read more]

Jodi…….good to hear from you hope everything is OK and the little ones are doing alright. The issue is (FREE)WILL and the and according to Socrates and science and psychologist and others as well as myself their is no such thin as free will because all will are influenced by what is in a person they have proven that a people do what was…[Read more]

Mandy…..I am not questining choices we make throusands of them every day, thats, not the issue. The issue is what causes those choices was it our so called (free wills) , or was it somthing in us (causing the choises) i contend that there is somethin causeing them and the have nothing to do with (free will) but cause and effect only. You will…[Read more]