Nick……….And you should not assume that other baptisms are needed either, especially when in scripture Paul said there is ONLY ONE BAPTISM . And considering what Jesus and John said also.IMO………….gene

Nick………..Did you miss what it says' ” For (BY) ONE Spirit (WE ARE ALL BAPTIZED)INTO ONE BODY> Its a spiritual Baptism , come on can't you even see that. It has nothing to do with water baptism. John's baptism was a (WATER baptism) the HOLY SPIRIT IS A SPIRITUAL BAPTISM. One is of the flesh and one is of the Spirit and the only one needed is…[Read more]

Nick……….God does things for a reason and to speculate is not necessarily wrong when there is no specific answer shown, you should know that you are speculating all the time about preexistence no where does it specifically say Jesus preexisted as some super being these are just you speculations on what you think the scriptures say. So check…[Read more]

Nick……if you don't even know that you need to totally reevaluate you belief system.You really don't know that it's the spirit of God that Saves us. And is given by THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD> 1 CO 12:13…> “for by (ONE) Spirit, are we all BAPTIZED onto (ONE) body, whether bond or free; and have been (ALL) made to drink into; (ONE SPIRIT).Nick…[Read more]

Nick……… if you don't know the diference between Spritual baptism and Physical baptism i would have to say you lack spiritual maturity. Please answer me this them and don't ver off the points.1………..did Paul say there is only (ONE) Baptism. Yes or NO please.2………..did John the baptist say, I indeed baptize with water (But) He who…[Read more]

Gollmaudi……….We are all saved by one Spirit from one God and Father of all, it's just that simple, there is only One Spirit, One Baptism, One God the Father , and ONE Mediator between God and Man, the (MAN) Jesus, it all just that simple. Why is there (ONLY ONE) so that ONE GOD may in (ALL) and through (ALL) by (ONE SPIRIT). Jesus Said the…[Read more]

T8…..so i guess we will just through that scripture quoted over four time out then right, and draw our conclusions from scriptures we can make say what is not Spicifically said. Again show me where Jesus ever said He was a Preexisting being of some kind, you can't, but i can show you where the scriptures you use are in fact referring to Jesus…[Read more]

Nick…… We are not transformed by the spirit of Jesus Christ, we are transformed by the same spirit Jesus had in Him. The word (of) means here the same Spirit Jesus Had. Not from Jesus. But from the Father. Are we on the same page with this.peace brother……………gene

Nick….So when John said “NOW we are the SON'S of God He didn't mean it right.Nick i am trying to follow you brother but i think you may be in the maze.love and peace ……gene

Nick………so now lets pull out the trinitarian mystery card that alway work right.Sorry couldn't help it…………..gene

t8…..Where do you preexistences put this then, (THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU) quoted over four time in the bible. How does that fit into your scriptural view then. I guess God was Just lying according to you and trinitarians he would have to been lying right. Your whole concept is one of making the text say what in fact it does not…[Read more]

t8…..I disagree with you, you are the one reading into the text things it doesn't specifically say if not Show me one Place where Jesus said He was a preexisting being and I change my mind , but saying because He said before Abraham i am is saying the same thing a him saying he preexisted before him, that is forcing the text to say what you…[Read more]

Nick……. in Acts1:5 what do you do with this, Jesus said “for John truly baptized with water, (but you), shall be (baptized) with the HOLY SPIRIT not many days from now. Why did Jesus say it this way if John's water baptism was what counted , so now we have, not only did John himself say that there was a baptism of Spirit and fire sent by…[Read more]

Nick……….it's becoming clear you don't know the difference between Jesus an the Spirit that was in Him the Word Christ Means (the Anointed,) now what do you think He was anointed with, was it His self or the Spirit of God. And if you don't think the spirit of God is what changes you and gives you a new nature you really don't understand…[Read more]

Nick…..you just proved my point they didn't receive the Spirit by being water baptized did they. I two was baptized twice and only got wet until the Elders laid Hands on me and prayed over me and i felt the spirit come into me it was a true experience, but the first time i was Baptized i simply got wet. In fact the second time i got wet also…[Read more]

Isa 1:18………. easy answer….. if you read the greek it reads that he was existing in nature for God , when, when he was on earth, why because he had the full measure of the Spirit in him, but he did not think to rob God, (HOW) by making Himself equal with him. But unlike man kind has done when they receive power from on High, they stoled the…[Read more]

Nick……….let me paraphrase it for you…..Because as many of you as have been Baptized into (The anointing)or Spirit, have put on (the Anointing)or Spirit, That is the exact meaning of what it says. Notice it does not say Jesus the person does it. Paul was talking about the same anointing that was in Jesus (who was also anointed), with the…[Read more]

Nick……The Apostles all baptized with water at first, they were new in the faith and were growing in understanding all the time from a Carnal way of looking at things to a Spiritual way of seeing things. And you just switched subject matter again, the question was about Logic and Understanding as i recall< You were say you didn't need Logic and…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 02 2008,11:23)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2008,03:13)T8……you have a big problem, It doesn't say He (existed) past tense . You have changed the text, it says (EXISTING) Present tense, big difference. You are referring a past existence, but text refers a present or at the time of his ministry on earth. Your trying to make the…[Read more]

Nick…..Ok so in you opinion logic has nothing to do with it, only what written rather you understand it or not doesn't matter. That explains a lot about your confusion of scriptures, it doesn't have to make sense, So you God is a God of confusion. What do you do with where that we are to Grow in Grace (and ) Knowledge then. and where it says God…[Read more]