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GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Logic in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
to all………..logic is one of the most important things GOD gave a person , with out it they are just stupid. If you believe something that doesn't make sense to you your are and idiot. In fact ill even go further and say you cant' believe something that makes no sense and your faith is only a supposition.God is a God of reason and said (come…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
seekingtruth……..The choices you make were acquired before and were all ready in you, you simply react from the most persuasive one that all. Let me give you an example, please understand i am not saying we are exactly like the examples i will give you but in many way we are but far more advanced. Let's say you were the maker of a computer,…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Bk….it should be oblivious what a person speaks is what he is and we will be judged by our (WORD) because it is who we are , Just like God's Word is who He is.” In the beginning was the (WORD) and the (WORD was with God) just like your word is with you (and the WORD WAS GOD) just like your word who you are. NO DIFFERENCE. peace to…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Dk……….the bible speaks about a lot of destines . Lets take Cyrus for example God not only named Him but also told in detain what He would Do. What about King David didn't he say God even had His word put in Him before He was ever Born. Let look at Jeremiah 1:4-5 …> “then the word of the Lord came to me saying; before (I) formed you in the…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Mandy………You got it right Adam……… keep praying and God will continue to guide you and keep you in reality of the truth, the gift He has given us is what makes the difference it prevents us from following these blind guides. They profess themselves to be wise but are blinder then bats. In my opinion. They are nothing but hinders of the…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
DK……your understanding of what Free WILL is wrong, If someone is influencing you and you don't do it, it because whats in you is greater then that influence . And you present the case of your will is Greater then Gods will in you. But what does scripture say, ” for he who began a work in you will complete it, and again For He (God) work in you…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
seekingtruth……..yes they are choices, but the subject is are they free choices or influenced choices , they are influenced choices therefore they are not (FREE). there is no such thing as Free Will or Free Choices there all caused and effects.peace to you……………gene
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
david……….so in your mind you basically save yourself by your Free Will Decisions, well congratulations to you. But Jesus said no one can come unto me unless the Father drag Him. And I guess where it says the carnal Mind (the one we are born with) is a enemy of God and is not subject to Gods laws neither indeed can be, wasn't true because…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
seeking truth……….all your choices are a result of what has been already installed in your mind. The definition of Free Choice is to choose something without (ANY) influence derived from past association of (any) kind. Because if your were influenced by something the it was not a Free Choice but an influenced choice. There is no such thing…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
I have no idea how that post landed here I wrote for the people debating with t8.and hit the quick post and it landed here.Nick………read what i posted and figure it out for yourself if you can.peace………..gene
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
To all……..Fully man and Fully God is an (OXYMORON) If you believe that then is there such thing as a square circles or hot ice. “God is Not a Man that He should LIE or a (Son of Man) that He should repent”, I believe Jesus called Himself (Son Of Man) right.Peace……………..gene
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick………true but when you deny scriptures plainly quoted to you and look for something to change to over all subject matters as you do, that makes it a little sinister, especially when you just take little pieces of scriptures and try to prove your right with them, and use it to dodge the issues being discussed, and over exaggerate what a…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick…………a Person is what he speaks,for that which comes out of the mouth defiles the man. Whats coming out of Him (WORD) His word is what He is, And all words are thoughts and a plan is a preconceived thought. in fact you even think in words.Tell me something are you with your thoughts and plans, if your not then your Just not all there.…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
To All………….there is no such thing as (FREE WILL) For a Will to be FREE nothing can influence it. All choices are a result of (CAUSE and EFFECT). You are caused to choose from what's already in your mind and this is what causes your choices. Free Has nothing to do with it. You can not find (Free Will) mentioned at all in the bible. If God…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick……….a word is the expression of thought < in the beginning was the expression of God's thought or (WORD) simple put an intelligent expressed from a prethought. So it also involves plan. A spoken word is what a person is and God word is what HE is, "and the word was God. God spoke everything into existence. God said (words) let there be…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
DK……right i never said it was wrong to water Baptize, but that baptism is not the baptism that saves you, it's the Baptism of the Spirit that save a person. And thats the ONE Baptism Paul was talking about. It's not hard to see what i was saying, but NICK loves to argue and starts these mindless games to try to prove he has a better understand…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick………when have i defamed the Apostles, by saying they were growing in understanding about spiritual things as the went along. Have you resorted now to lying about my views. I really believe you need to humble yourself and realize you can't understand the difference between some physical things and spiritual things. Whats Most important is…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Is baptism needed for salvation? 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick if there is (ONE) baptism that saves me why would i care about any others then. Did John's baptism ever convert a single person, answer (NO) did it ever save anyone (NO) was the apostles saved by there water Baptism before they were baptized with Fire and Spirit, answer (NO) Like i said earlier it's not wrong to be water baptized and if you…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick…… if you are so dense you can't realize what it says and understand it there is simply no point discussing the issue with you. But i do believe you see it, but your pride won't let you admit your wrong in your assumptions. So go ahead and believe it's water baptism that saves you then. I and Paul and John, and Jesus, believe it's a…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick………i have said before most people here just take snap shot of scriptures and do not take the Sum of God's word into consideration most of the time. I have seen that done with people saying things like Jesus is the (WORD) when Jesus said they weren't His words He was speaking to us. They simply ignore the rest of the scriptures to get…[Read more]
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