CARMEL ….you are so far out of reality,  it is useless to even reply to you, even a simple minded person can understand  what Reve 1:1 says,  you cant even get that part straight,  God the Father Gave to  Jesus, what he wanted  to show his servants , and he sent it by his “messenger” Jesus, who give it John and John who took it to the Churc…[Read more]

Proclaimer  my, my, how you drift around, and sell God and his saving power Short. If we lived how you believe no one would ever be saved,  or haven’t  you ever read what Paul quoted?

Rom 3:10…..as it is written, there is “none” rightious “no not one”:  There is “none” that understands,  there is ‘none” that seeks after God. read the rest on yo…[Read more]

Jodi…..AMEN. they just don’t get it,  that there is ‘NO” will itself,  that is itself free.  they don’t understand that it is God that can and does,  cause our will’s to function a certanily way. That is exactly how he can predict òur outcome, and know the finish from the start. 

That is also  how he can even name people 200 years before t…[Read more]

EDJ…..NO SCRIPTURE SAY THEY WORSHIPED  him as the “devine” son of God.  You add that part yourself. Those deciples only saw the devine work of  God that he did for the  ,  of man Jesus Christ,   and we’re atributing that to Jesus.  Jesus many atribute the Miracles to himself, but Jesus said this,  “the Son of Man” can do “NOTHING” OF himself.”…[Read more]

Proclaimer, you said “Jesus never refused worship”,  thats not true, what did he tell the man who called him Good, “why do you call me good?,  “there is none Good, “but one”, and that is God.”  

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

Proclaimer,  Oxford definition of worship……the highest adoration, and respect for “a deity”.  Jesus is a son of  man,   not a deity.  

JESUS said……Mat 4:10…..”then said Jesus  unto him, Get the hence, Satan: for it is written, you shall worship the Lord your God,  and him “ONLY” shall you serve”. and again

Luk 4: 8….and Jesus answ…[Read more]

Berean…..We are not angels, we are Jesus’ brothers and Sisters in the house hold of God.  Jesus is one of us and we are the same as he is, pure 100% human beings. AND WHEN HE RETURNS HE WILL STILL BE A HUMAN BEING, and when we are resurected or changed into our glorified bodies we still will be human sons of God also. We will “judge the a…[Read more]

Carmel……What truth , you can’t ever quote a scripture without changing the context , when you do you,  change it’s meaning also,  to fit your false teachings.  Do you really think I am the only one here that doesn’t know that? Talk about the kettle calling the pot black,  you of all here should not criticize others here. IMO

Your God is Jes…[Read more]

Berean. …..I worship God the Father as my God , and him only do I worship as my God , I bow my knee to Jesus as the head of the family of God the Father  of which I am a member of, but I bow  to him, to the glory of,  God  the Father ,  not to God the Son, as you do.

I have prayed to God the Father, for you to get the “courage” to quest…[Read more]

Proclaimer……yes that messenger mentioned there is Jesus, and please notice after that was said ,  it says  verse 9 “then”  “he ” , said to me   that is the same person speaking that was speaking in verse 7, 

Notice in verse 9,  where it says, I am thy “fellowservant”  and of thy “brethern” the “prophets”

AN angel could never say he was of…[Read more]

Brean …..Most of what Carmel writes is not part garbage it is  “pure garbage.” he wants us to believe he is somehow more qualified to explain scriptures then we are , that’s  a joke at best, for someone who changes the text nearly everytime he posts, and doesn’t even understand what he reads in it.  

Berean,  “wide is the way that leads to dest…[Read more]

Carmel…..AGAIN you change text to meet your false trinitarian  teachings, it says “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which “GOD GAVE UNTO HIM”,  to show unto his servants”…… IT dosen’t take a genius to clearly understand what that says, only a deluded mind couldn’t “clearly” understand that.

You call me and Jodi carnel,  and were in no pos…[Read more]

Proclaimer,…..Your describing the Freedom,  we have to “do” our wills , not the very will “ITSELF” , THAT where your mixed up,  yes we do all have freedom to do what we will to do, but that will we have, is made up by what’s “influencing”  us the most  it’s called,  “cause and effect” ,   what in your mind drives our will’s,  nothing free abo…[Read more]

Berean, …..You haven’t disproved a single word Jodi said, and  I agree with what she said 100%.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

Proclaimer, Jesus was the messenger, that God sent to show John his servant who recorded it and took it to the Churches.   There was no angelic being involved ,

The word Angel,  means “messenger” there,   and Jesus is and was God messenger to mankind. 

REV 1:1…..The revelation of Jesus Christ, which “God” gave him, to shew unto his (God’s)…[Read more]

Proclaimer, the only time they seen Jesus was after he was walking around “above the Ground like them  so the never saw him decend from heaven ever,  so why would Jesus ask then that kind of question, like what “if” you “see” me where he was before , wouldn’t they first have to have seen  him decend, inorder to see him asend to where he was be…[Read more]

Berean…..the person speaking to John in verse 7 was Jesus,  was the same person , notice what it says, “and the Lord God  of the holy prophets sent his “messenger” (that’s Jesus )  to show unto his servants (John and the Churches)  the thing which must shortly be done.  Now notice who starts speaking , it was not an Angel, but Jesus,

Verse 22:7…[Read more]

Proclaimer….Arguments never change minds, the truth of God does if you have it, because it guide your thinking. But it you don’t have it,  you will never change , you will alway go with what most “influences you, every time.  Those who have not the Spirit are they that are held captive by their own thoughts, from whatever sources they come f…[Read more]

Proclaimer……This is very important,  At least you can see what I am saying, thats good, also read what I wrote about the Beginning of the book of Revelations, you then can see how it all ties together.

The translators were trinitarians, so they cooked the books, to fit their false teachings,

Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

Rev 22, ……Jesus was talking to the Churches  , “I Jesus have sent my “messenger” (John) to testify these thing unto the Churches.  It was John who testified these thing to the Churches, Jesus was telling them (the churches) that he was the one that sent John to testify theses thing in the churches. 

There is no recorded history of any An…[Read more]