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GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
David……> your argument falls apart because Judas was predicted to betray Jesus way back in the old testament. It was predestined to Happen. King David was created for His position before He was born He even said so. He said as i recall even His words that he spoke were given him before He was born. The bottom line about all this is people…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
(42767……I will address…Joshua with you…..The Spirit that was on Moses was also on Joshua, there is a scripture that say their was a different Spirit on Him.and therfore He obeyed God< It wasn't because of His free will, it was because there was a different spirit on him. I don't know right now where thats at but i remember reading it years…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Mandy….God has given each of us a Will which drives our desires for life, Jesus had His own to just like Us. You can see His human nature at work, Jesus earlier said He was going to die and be raised several time and it did not seam to bother Him that much, but when it came down to it , it was a whole different reality. Don't think I am putting…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Gollamundi……….the fire can't be quenched unless the worm dies that applies to all. We have to understand what the worn is , the worm is our own stubborn wills in us and until it's put to death the fire (Judgments) never stop. think about it. I'll discuss it more later.peace in love my brother………………..gene
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
gollamudi………what i will do is try to write a complete article on it and post it it will answer your questions, one thing is remember the book of reverlations is symbolic, look up the words in the first chapter of Rev 1:1, you will see that He sent and signified it. Look up the meaning of signified you will find it means (SYMBOLIZED) it.…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
gollamudi…….Amen brother it certainly is an up Hill fight. But i believe once people began to see their Salvation has nothing with their so call (FREE WILLS) they can find rest for there souls, knowing we are all in good Hands and our salvation is not dependent on us, but in our Heavenly Father and can begin to live there lives in total…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Eternal torment in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
gollamudi…….your right we need to et back on subject.As i have stated before there is no such thing as eternal torment, What kind of God would send his created children into eternal Hell Fire where they could scream out into all eternity in ever burning agony, as most Christian think will happen to people, who don't see things there way. In…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
not3in1…..they were all in his mind causing all He was doing, where does it say he choose Jesus at. And even if he did there was something causing it. No man can come unto me except the father drag him Jesus said this,right,.peace and love to you and yours….Mandy
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick….your the one who doesn't know the How not me.It would seem you want to limit scripture to what you understand not me, I am open to what ever You understand, but that doesn't mean i agree with you at all, and on this subject i just do not agree with you Nick. Thats why i said we should agree to disagree on it. Your not going to change my…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
942767………..the words (FREE WILL) is no where in the entire bible. All scientist Know there is no such thing as (Free Will) every thing is the result of cause and effect. Stop and think about it there is nothing you can think of that the effect was not caused. The dictionary says the free will is a will that choses some thing without (ANY…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick …… If you can't answer the HOW then there can never be any change so, I am sorry i disagree on that, well just have to agree we disagree OK.peace……….gene
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Jesus, Michael? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2008,13:42)Hi GB, Where does scripture says we should accuse others of sin?Nick…..If thy brother sin against you take it to Him First and iyou know the story. Lets say the brother said a lie about you is that a sin?, Yes it would be. Do you not have a right to say he sinned against you, yes you do. Hay i know we all…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2008,15:28)Hi Gb You said”Nick… your words are with you also and when you are resurected they will still be tere with you also. they don't die as you said. ” But english grammar does allow for two meanings and I misunderstood. Sorry.Nick…..no probelm
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2008,14:43)Hi GB,The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Who was that word?Nick..> after all this talk about about words do you still think a word can actually become a piece of flesh, words are spirit they are not flesh and they can not become flesh either, can't you see that.sigh
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2008,14:42)Hi GB, You misquote me. I never said words die , but only thoughts and plans.Nick…..please show where i misquoted you by saying you said words die. And I will apologize
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Logic in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
yea sigh..
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Logic in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick……Being that you brought these thing out are you accusing me of them if so at least be man enough to say.truth does count also.gene
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
942767…..let me ask you in the Kingdom is your (FREE WILL) going to be done. Now if by your “free will” you make the choices to do right and walk by faith then why is there only (ONE) WILL that will be done then. And if so what happened to your WILL. Why did Jesus have to put His will to death then surely he could have made the right decision…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick… your words are with you also and when you are resurected they will still be tere with you also. they don't die as you said. Your words are an expression of who you are Nick they don't change untill you change, but God never changes so His word don't either. The word (word) i John is not a seperate being from God it is his own word < Just…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic How is Jesus not God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 18 years, 3 months ago
Nick…..a house uncompleted is an expression of a plan, but my house is a completion of a plan and your right it most likely will out last me. Unless a fire burns it down or an earthquake or some contrastive Destory's it. I agree with that. A word does out last us. Is there a point to this Nick?peace…..gene
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