Quote (Cato @ June 11 2008,23:07)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 11 2008,13:48)Man Hates the idea of the Sovereignty of God who is all knowing and in all control over everything. Why is that?Well in a general sense I think man is comforted that there is direction and meaning to the universe, where things come apart is in the level of control. If we…[Read more]

Gollamudi………I know but Nick just keeps dodging the issue directly and most of the time it goes no where brother. I don't think Nick is a bad guy He Just likes to debate thats all.peace brother……….gene

gollamudi……..it never stops amazing me how ease you get these things and How so many others can't. It's a true sign of the Spirit of truth at work, you just naturally understand these things. Thats how i know you have God's spirit you don't have to be convinced by anyone you just know. And when you post something i see it that way also, it's…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2008,14:13)Hi, The will of God is that all be saved.1 Timothy 2:4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.God's will is not rigid but takes many forms and is malleable to a degree.Rom122And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ June 10 2008,11:23)Quote (gollamudi @ June 10 2008,10:43)Wonderful my brother 942767,If you are able to choose to obey God without any influence then you are really using your free will. If not I differ with you on free will. I only believe I don't have even abillty to obey God because my flesh nature can not obey God's…[Read more]

David ……….> God creates LOVE also in us,” For the love of God is shed around in your hearts. Were more like clones then we think we are to (IMAGE) God, how do you think that done by our so call “FREE WILLS”, No God the Father does it by His Spirit He Creates us unto good works., BY Grace are you saved and that not of yourselves, God comes…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2008,13:17)Hi GB, So memories and thoughts and feelings cause us to make decisions?Not always. The will of man is not his heart or his mind.Nick………you or no one else have never made a decision in your life without using your memory and mind.Nick lets stop this usless talk …………..gene

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2008,11:54)Hi GB, So you believe in salvation for all? You believe what is written should be taken with a grain of salt?Nick………now there you go telling me what i believe again, when did i say i believe what is written should be taken with a grain of salt. Those are your words not mine. In fact how do you believe…[Read more]

Nick……good Mind and memory you call it, your right and guess what makes up you will, your memory which is in your mind. It causes you to will or desire something, do away with the will then all the memory in the world is useless because it could produce no action you would simply be a person who could not make any decisions. everything you…[Read more]

Nick….. How could your mind be independent of you will. If i took your will out of you, you would simply be a zombie, Totally removed from all thought. Your will is your collective thoughts.surely you know that………….gene

David ….Read what Nick wrote and if you can understand it right you will see God (IS) in complete control. When God moves on a person they Change Period . He is sovereign The potter has absolute Power over the clay to make it any way He wants, with or with out the clays permission. God rules over and in all things even Satan is doing God's will…[Read more]

Nick…..If i took the will out of you what would be left them (nothing) in my opinion. A person is not a person without a will, with out a will you have no Mind, You know that Nick, is not a leap to assume that. If you can prove other wise lets hear it. Tell me this Nick does your life include your Soul? And doesn't it say what i quoted about…[Read more]

Eternal torment……….is it biblical, NO, first of all the word translated eternal is a mistranslation, it should be eion a Greek word that means (Age) So the torment is age lasting not eternal. Everywhere you see the word eternal Just put age there. Why would a God of (LOVE) cast a person He created into a ever burning lake of Fire…[Read more]

seeking truth………..the Soul that sinneth it shall die., and it says (ALL) have sinned , so all must die. right. It doesn't say the soul that does not repent wont die then does it.If we conceder that the soul is composed of the will, then all wills must die, and guess what only (ONE WILL) will be done and thats God's, so i geuss all souls will…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 10 2008,17:13)Quote David …..the point is do you believe in the absolute sovereignty of God?As far as I can tell, JW's are the only ones that speak of God's sovereignty on a regular basis. I guess my answer is yes.But no Bible will tell you that this means he's in control of everything that happens. In fact, the Bible says…[Read more]

Nick….I am going to explain why I believe there is not a eternal everlasting Hell Fire, I started to search for more scriptures on Fire us symbolic and there were so many Fire related scripture it slowed me down, I”LL have to sort through them so i can post them it will take me some time though. And i'll try to find that thing on King David…[Read more]

Nick…..remember Peter said if my brother came and ask for forgiveness It did not say If he sinned against you and didn't come and ask to forgive Him, You have nothing to forgive about if He doesn't ask for forgiveness, Some time people think if some one is doing you wrong you go ahead and forgive him anyway.They extend what Peter was talking…[Read more]

David …..the point is do you believe in the absolute sovereignty of God?

Nick…i pulled that of the top of my head I remember reading it some where I think it was in Plasm, I'll have to see if i can find it, it's been quite a while. But i am pretty sure it there.peace ……….gene

Nick…..now there you go again, when did i ever say Jesus was not created for His position. Are you just looking for something to argue about NICK.