David,  you are right , because there exists no such thing as a will that is free “itself”, God has given us freedom to express our “captivated” wills, will’s that are held captive by our thoughts  which causes us to will , rather good or evil,  everything is the result of “cause and effect”. We are caused to will things, by what is working in our…[Read more]

Edj……look up the Hebrew text, you will see the word there means to volunteer,  and act of self-will,  it has nothing to do with telling us anything about how the Will “itself” works, I have said a hundred time probably we do have freedom to “exercise” our “influenced Will, but that is not talking about how the Will “itself” works now is it…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ….Sure it does, if your son “has” to speak for you , is it because you are to dumb to speak for yourself.  Now if your son tells me “your” words that you “gave him”,  to tell me,  that’s  a different story. 

That is exactly what Jesus meant when he said , “the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words, but the words of him who sent…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ….talk about silly. , what could be more silly then your last post?

Not one word of my post was silly, you say “if” He did this and “if”  he did that,  now that’s what is silly  if you ask me. Because it shows you truly don’t  really know for sure. What you are assuming is right or not. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

Proclaimer……That’s not my argument at all, and I do not think Jesus is dumb, nor do I think our Father God is either?   Quite the opposite you must think God the Father is, because you believe he can’t seem to speak for himself, nor create anything by himself either. But the truth in scripture proves you wrong on both counts.

Jodi never s…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..The reason the word came to be “in” the flesh, man Jesus was because the Holy Spirit, which is the  Spirit of the Father,  came to “dwell” in the flesh  man Jesus”, but that never made Jesus “himself” a God,  nor his word. No more then it would make you or me a God nor God’s word, by the same Spirit dwelling in us.  

Quoting someon…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ….tell me this does GOD even have HIS “OWN” WORDS,? , so when they read the words , “this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,” was that Jesus talking to himself?  Was Jesus a vantriliquest,  did he throw his voice to make it appear someone else was speaking? 

When the prophets spoke to us GOD’S words, are we to believe it…[Read more]

Carmel…..is you confidence through Christ Jesus  “to God” , or through Christ Jesus “to christ Jesus.? 

Have you put the cart before the horse? Do you preach Jesus,  “ahead” of, his God, and our God, his Father,  and our Father?  To think he is “equal” with God, is something he never thought he was. That for sure.

Where does “the man” Jesus f…[Read more]

Proclaimer. …….please show me the scripture that says Jesus was “born”  before Abraham. 

Again you like others add your thoughts to what the text is  actually saying. That was my point with Berean. YOUR view as Jesus prexisting his berth is wrong on many levels,

One,  no prexisting recorded activity of him before his birth on this ear…[Read more]

Berean……I just go by what scriptures say , and Isa 14 clearly say it is addressed to the king of Babylon,  and it was a “proverb”  which is a “metaphor “,  which is a “fictions illustration”  of something or someone.  

I never even mentioned Ezekiel,  you did that, not me. I am not asking you to believe me,  just believe what it “exactly and s…[Read more]

Berean , no , I am not a racist,  what is a niggas?  Eze 38:15, doesn’t even contain the word Lucifer in it.

Again you failed to even look at Isa 14: 4,  which proves that it was what God gave to ISAIAH TO GIVE TO THE KIND OF BABYLON.  and it was a “PROVERB” , A “METAPHOR” , 

DO YOU KNOW WHAT PROVERBS OR METAPHORS ARE?

BEREAN this is why we ne…[Read more]

Berean…….The word Lucifer does not mean SATAN,  IT MEANS rising Star, as the king of Babylon was until God brought him to the grave.  1sa 14: 4, shows clearly ,  it was a “proverb” , “a metaphor” against the king of Babylon?  

Why did not God suppress Satan when he didn’t repent?

Why did he allow him to tempt our first parents?

How coul…[Read more]

Carmel……being one with God , or anyone in noway make you or anyone else a God or the person you aRe at one with. Jesus plainly said,  the Father was “in” him.  And because of that you think he is the Father?  God is Spirit and can exist in everone he Choses to, anyone who does the Fathers will is at one with him,  but that does not make him…[Read more]

Proclaimer. …..your position on Jesus, dosen’t consider many things,  one why would God in the first place desguise a preexisting being of somekind as a man.  Was Jesus life on this earth only a continuation of what he c already was before he was “morphed” into a human being.  What does that tell us about God the Fathers work in his human cr…[Read more]

Berean……But I do see a “man” from “mankind” , who by the Spirit of God, was made into a perfect human being, and by that same Spirit in him do not sin, and because he was a man from mankind, he was able to pay for all our sins.  WHY? BECAUSE, sin  came into the world by a man , it was also paid for by a man, THE “MAN” JESUS.  

But your versi…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ……another good post,  you suprise me sometime on how much we do agree,  I have only one thing to say about your last post , scripture does not say , Jesus said he was “returning” to his and our God , it says he going to “asend” to , his and our God m and his and our Father. 

With the knowledge you have said in your posts, you s…[Read more]

Nobody-special……yes we are to bow our knee to Jesus , but remember the rest of the verse,  “to the glory of God”.  Notice it doesn’t say,  to the glory of Jesus.

It is God the Father who has set Jesus as  king , and we give him  glory for that very reason him . The same thing applied to king David, those who bowed to him know he was God’s…[Read more]

To all…..the word lord is in Hebrew (adoni ) meaning any ruler or magistrate of anykind. 

The word LORD in hebrew is (adonai)  meaning the Almighty GOD.

“the LORD (adonai ) said unto my lord (adoni) sit on my right, until I (adonai) make your enimies your foot stool.”  

Those  two WORDS FOR LORD ARE NOT THE SAME IN THE HEBREW TEXT, as any tr…[Read more]

Proclaimer. …..isn’t it amazing how so much proof the bible has against the trinity and Jesus being a God, yet most all of Christanity HAS BEEN SO BRAIN WASHED OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS , they completely deny them.  Shows how truly guliable people really are., And you didn’t even mention what is written in the old Testement.

Peace and love to…[Read more]

Nobody-special……thanks here is something that might add to this.

Col 2:9….For “IN” him,  “dwells” all the fullness of the Godhead bodily “.  

Yes Jesus said “the Father is in me”,  but that never made him the Father that was “IN” him. 

The exact same thing applies to ALL WHO HAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLING “IN” THEM. 

“know you not that…[Read more]