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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 5 years, 2 months ago

    Edj…….You could not know what bads is, without good,  no more then you could know what left was without right, or up without down , but I realize you seem  not able to understand that.  But sufficient to say is GOD “created both good and evil,  And trust me it definitely was for a reason, and that reason is because “GOOD “EXPLAINS” what evil…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 5 years, 2 months ago

    Edj……if freewill could save us or guide us properly, then there would be no need for us to need God’s Spirit to “work” in us “BOTH” to will and do of his (God’s) good pleasure. FREEWILLERS  views goes completely against ,  why because  the think that making us out to be robots . 

    What they don’t understand is “everything” that exists is eith…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 5 years, 2 months ago

    Edj…..In scripture the word freewill means a voluntary act. Look it up for yourselves,   I am  addressing the will “itself” , as I have said before there is no such thing of a will that is “free” , or it simply would not even be a will., “common sense 101”,  wills are made up of “prethoughts” , that is what makes them up  those prethoughts were…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. …..Good advice you should take it, I already have many times proven what I am saying is right,  I realize it is not what “the many” say, about who Jesus was and is,  but it is what “the few” say,  and I am OK with that. 

    Jodi and I are two witiness who have bore witness , to “the truth” here,  it’s not our fault you people are una…[Read more]

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    Berean. …..If Jesus already had it When he “preexisted” then he couldn’t have inherited it, right?,  why? , because he would have already had it. (A much better name then the Angels)  he would have just been given it back., Right?

    Seems just another delima for prexisteners to try to figure out.  But I am sure you people can come up with so…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. ….I know God ‘s “will” for my life, and it isn’t me saving myself by my own so-called  “freewill” , as your is.  God “works ” “in” those he is with, by taking out of them the heart of stone and giving them a heart of flesh, and writing on their hearts his law’s AND COMMANDMENTS, and even giving them the “FAITH” to even believe him an…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. …..no, what you are saying is a blatant lie .  Your belief of a “freewill” salvation created by yourself is one of the biggest lies anyone could ever believe in. It deals God the Father and Jesus Christ complete out of anything that has to do with our salvation, and turns it all over to ourselves. Over to our own,  so-called “…[Read more]

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    Jesus, clearly Said the “Father was “in” him, he never said he was the Father, in fact he said he  was going to the Father .  Which proves the Father was in heaven, while he was on the earth. 

    HE EVEN taught us to pray,  “our” Father who art “in”  heaven, “your kingdom come ” your will be done” in the earth as it is in heaven.   This shows Je…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. …..show me where what I am saying is not GOOD NEWS,  I TIE OUR HUMAN IDENITY “EXACTLY WITH THE MAN JESUS’,  how is thats not GOOD NEWS. 

    Your GOSPEL is bad news, because it pushes Jesus’ human IDENITY AWAY FROM HIS human  BROTHERS AND SISTER,   you remove him from the human race and try to place him some where else, which you by the…[Read more]

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    Carmel……there are many scriptures that show that,  the return of God the Father , is what happens at the end of the thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saint’s ,  as shown in the book of Revelations. Scripture also show at the end Jesus will hand  over his kingdom , which he is ruling over (the restored kingdom of King David) over to God an…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 5 years, 2 months ago

    Proclaimer. …..do you even know what a “WILL” is? 

    Can you give us a answer to the simple question?  Maybe that is why you are not understanding this whole issue of WILL’S.?

    Peaceand love to you and yours. …………gene

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    Berean. ….it not my Gospel, it’s what is written in our bible text,  you can’t find any where in our text that says Jesus, “preexisted before his birth on this earth.   To say he did preexist, is to demean the work of God in humanity.

    God did not take a prexisting being “morph” him into a human  and pass him off as a “real” human . That what S…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. …..I also am in that camp. As I have testified over 12 or so years here.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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    Berean. …..I do agree with part of what you said, but I believe Jesus had the riches of his relationship with God  before he ever came into his “only” existence on this earth ,  he was prophesied to rich before he was ever born, and he well know what his was,  and what he was to become, from his youth on this earth, not from some “prexistent” li…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 5 years, 2 months ago

    Proclaimer. ….the truth does set you free,  from a “LIE” , that’s,  the work of the “Spirit of  truth”,  which Jesus called the “COMFORTER”,  why? BECAUSE, knowing the “TRUTH”  is a “Comforter” to the those who have the “SPIRIT” OF TRUTH, in them. 

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 5 years, 2 months ago

    Carmel……”man”,  are you screwed up, by all the years of false indoctrination,   I never read so much counterdictions of subject matter in my life as you preach, no one knows what you are saying , pure confusion, and counterdictions of scriptures, jabbering.  Perhaps if you just slowed down and engage one then at a time, it really would hel…[Read more]

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    Carmel…..So the words I will, mean the three will to you right?  The three is “they” , the singular is “I” . But none of those said they were Jesus Christ, that’s you false renditions again of what you trying to force our scriptures to say? You have a big imagination,  and are very brave to think you have authority to change the meanings and i…[Read more]

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    Berean. …….Thought he was rich, can mean many things ,  he was rich in understanding,  in Spirit, in closeness to God the Father,  in power after all God performed many miracles through  him,  perhaps even in money, after all the three wise men did give him material riches, right? ,  anyway what’s your point? You should have included that…[Read more]

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    Carmel……as I said you can’t even quote a scripture without either changing what it says or adding your own words to them. No where in scripture does it say those three that appeared to Abraham were all God’s,  that is you “forcing our text to say what in fact it is not even hinting at”.

    As I have said blind guides leading blind people ,…[Read more]

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    Edj……That’s right “religious” “indoctrination”, and “pride of life”. “causes them not to even consider the truth, so they remain blind, the blind leading the blind,   and they are in a ditch. 

    All words are spirit of one kind or another, either “good” or “evil”, for every “tree” (that which brings forth from itself) is know by it’s fruit (wh…[Read more]

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