Berean……Your getting THE LORD (the word atonai) which means,  “ALMIGHTY GOD” whose name is “Yehovah,    mixed up with the word lord (atoni),   which means “any”  human ruler.
Jesus told us to pray to his God and our God, the FATHER, JUST AS HE DID ALSO.  YOU people constantly try to make Jesus bigger then God the father himself , someth…[Read more]

Lu….were not talking about “US” , we were talking about God the Father, He didn’t need us or Jesus, or anything, He created them all,, why? “FOR HIS GOOD PLEASURE”, we they created” , and that includes even Jesus.

Jesus said this, ” he always did those thing that pleased the Father,  and that was why the Father loved him”.  No where dose any sc…[Read more]

Danny….YOUR STILL UNDERSTANDING IT WRONG,  “no word”, word “itself” can become flesh, why?, because word are spirit , remember what Jesus said? “The word I am telling you “are” spirit?  Jesus Christ was not a Spirit, he was a flesh and blood human being just like us.  If you understood that, them you would understand , what that scripture was tr…[Read more]

Danny…..Carmel was not talking about what we “need” to be saved,  he was saying that there is no God the Father without Jesus. That simply is not true, God the Father always existed, Jesus did not always exist. You switched subject matter without even knowing it. . the truth is there would be not Jesus Christ without God the Father. But he was…[Read more]

Jodi…….I see where you are going with this, so i am not going to take your thunder,  I will give my understanding at the end, stay on course , because this is something that all need to understand.  Make sure you explain how “one” mans sin,   made us all sinners, in what way and how did that happened,  because that reaches the core of the trut…[Read more]

Carmel…..The only one that is futilely corrupting scriptures here is you.  I quoted the scripture exactly as it is written,  no matter how you try to twist our scriptures to meet your corruptions, while it might work on the blind and gullible, it won’t work on those who ave the spirit of truth “in” them. So twist and turn our scriptures all you…[Read more]

Mike….I complete agree with on that.  What Carmel shows is how much , his trinitarian beliefs have a grip on his thinking,  and how little he actually understands the truth. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

LU…..Jesus sure did not think he was a Spirit being at all, at least he said that even after he was resurrected.
he called himself Flesh and bone, even after he was resurrected from the dead, and as far as I know,  a man is not a Sprit, Even though he can have a Spirit dwell “in” him, even many Spirits can dwell “in” him, according to…[Read more]

Mike ……Well put,  they take one scripture that can be taken different ways and use that as their only teaching , when hundreds of other scriptures show it different ,  they are not seeking the truth at all, but are indoctrinated into their  churches teachings, and will not even consider THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER SCRIPTURES  where our bible tex…[Read more]

Carmel……pure blasphemy, The Father does not “obey” the son,  but the Son obeys the Father,  if you don’t understand that it is completely useless to even speak to you about this subject. Because God grants our requests,  in no way means we are “equal ” to him,  the same thing applies to Jesus and disciples and all others to.   

YOU are on da…[Read more]

Carmel…..Jesus plainly said the Father was greater then he was, written clearly in out scriptures, and said this also , “not my Will, but thy Will be done”  , 

‘trying to make scripture say without the Father there is no Son, and therefore no Father , is a lie , scripture says there are many sons of God, God the Father existed from eter…[Read more]

Carmel…..it has nothing to due with “EQUALITY ” it has to do with “OBEDIENCE ” , to GOD THE FATHER.   JESUS PLAINLY SAID ,

John 10:29,  ” my Father which gave them me, is “GREATER” than “ALL”. , AND NO MAN is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand.

Seems Jesus has a complete different view of who is the greatest in power, then you do.…[Read more]

Danny…….Your first mistake is you started with Something in the New Testament, to try to describe Jesus,  but where did Jesus start to describe who he was? , he started in the existing scriptures, the Old Testament. He started with those scriptures that spoke of him clearly and used them to tell who he was.
You on the other hand start with a…[Read more]

Jodi…..Another Excellent post,  if only they would really take it to heart. Instead of listing to all these false teachings of trinitarian  Churches, and start  to question some of the things they have been telling  them.  They need to understand whoever they give their minds over to , that is who they serve, either the truth to eternal life…[Read more]

Jodi……..Know one seems to be able to answer your  question, I would like to hear their answers also Jodi.

peace and love to you and yours………gene

LU…..Trying to turn the man Jesus our brother into a God, as God the Father is , is IDOLATRY,  JESUS PLAINLY said this,  “that they might know “you” THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD”,  and Jesus who “YOU” have sent”.

Every one who is saying Jesus is a true God or trying to make his name or even equipment the same as God the Father, are in direct vi…[Read more]

Berean…….MIKE , has presented right, just JODI, and I have. Jesus is always sub-servant to God the Father, always was and always will be.  “The son of man an do”NOTHING” of  “HIMSELF”.  Saying,  “I “always do those things that pleases the Father”.  And again, “I have come to do “thy” will, O God.”,  not “HIS” WILL, but the “WILL of him who…[Read more]

Mike…..Good assessment of what JODI WROTE,  I think Jodi meant it the way you said,  I also see it the way  you put it too. Jodi is a real blessing to this site, because of all the scriptures she gives to support her conclusions, and mine too I might add.

peace and love to you and yours………gene

Jodi,  you reply # 869842 is exactly right. If they were truly of “the truth” they would understand it, and acknowledge it, But it only testifies against them , that they are not of the truth. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours………gene