Irene…and Thinker……….Peter doesn't agree with the Preexistence of Christ or he would have said He preexisted, in fact no Apostle said Jesus Preexisted his berth here on earth. Wouldn't you think something as important as that would have been very clearly explained in the Gospels, but we only have scripture that can be twisted to mean…[Read more]

Thinker ……I become one with GOd the same way Jesus became one with Him trhough His SPIRIT, not by a preexistence of any Kind. Even though I could just as easly say what Jesus said ” Farther give me the Glory that i had with you before the world began. After we are all Preordained for the GLORY right, “What is man that thou are so mindful of…[Read more]

Kerwin…….The word EL simple Means (HIGH) like mountain in fact the Almighty can just as easily be said as ALL POWERFUL, no difference. The word EL lifted up or Powerful can be applied to many things as you have posted it is. It is not a (PERSON) but a descriptor word and the simplest term for ELOHIM is (POWERS) a uni-Plural word. The LORD (HE…[Read more]

Tim Kraft……..I have heard sin meant to MISS the MARK, and it was GOD not Adam ,who told Cain that if he did well He would be accepted if not SIN was lying (CROUCHED) at His Door (of his Heart) and that he must (MASTER) it. This is the first place sin is mentioned in scripture though. We are told we must master (overcome ) SIN. And Jesus said…[Read more]

LU……..Amen to that, The apostles did not teach or preach any Trinity at all. This teaching is a perversion of the true Gospel along with other false teachings. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

Quote (thethinker @ May 28 2009,05:49)Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:05)Thinker ………..You can not prove if that Glory was a preplaned Glory that GOD had Planned for Jesus or not.  Believe what Peter said about Jesus, I believe He woud have Known do YOU. He said Jesus was (FOREORDAINED) that means (Fore Planned) to recieve this Glory, but only…[Read more]

Kerwin………GOD created NO ONE TO ETERNALLY DESTROYED. That is a perverted View of our LOVING FATHER. The only thing that going to be destroyed is the EVIL in a person That must die permanently , but not the Person, He must be given repentance. Those who have put themselves to death in this life will not have to in the next, those who haven't…[Read more]

Thinker……That glory was a preordained GLORY. Jesus said Him Self He did not seek to Glorify HIMSELF and Said if I glory myself my glory is nothing. God Glorified him after He was resurrected and NOT until, Jesus was only referencing the Glory that the Father had Planned for HIM, which He know while He was on earth. Thinker you have to come…[Read more]

Kerwin …..according to my Hebrew sorurces what i posted is exactly what ELOHIM means. Here is something simple for you to think about and explain to us, The LORD GOD. these two word used in many scriptures, are they the same word meaning the same things of or they two different word with seperate meanings. The word ELOHIM according to my…[Read more]

Tim Kraft………..Your are right applying the word LOGOS as a (PERSON) instead of its simple meaning is a distortion of scriptures and Just simple logic would tell people that if John 1:1 wanted to mean Jesus John would have just written Jesus' mane in there. All of the changing to mean a person is of the APOSTATE CHURCH, WHICH WE ARE TOLD TO…[Read more]

Irene………Show us (ONE) Scripture that says Jesus (PREEXISTED) before He was BORN on EARTH . Wouldn't you think that would have been a very important point that (ALL) the Apostles would have very clearly brought out. And we would not have to be trying to piece Scriptures that do not SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT, in order to make it a doctrine . Come…[Read more]

Kerwin…….The word GOD comes from Elohim which in Hebrew mean is a un-plural word, that is a word the equates to many powers composing (ONE) unit of POWERS. God is a un-plural word . The are many attributes and spirits (INTELLECTS) of that unit we call GOD. Jesus quoted it correctly, Thou art the (ONLY) True GOD. Another words there are other…[Read more]

thinker……..Eph 4:13….> Till we all come in the unity of Faith, and of the Knowledge of the son of GOD, unto a (PERFECT) Man. unto the Measure of the STATURE of the FULLNESS of CHRIST. So we should just through this out of our bibles, right thinker?peace and love…………………….gene

Thinker……..Your logic is wrong brother. imopeace and love…………………….gene

thinker…..Jesus preexistence was (ONLY) in the plan and will of GOD and nothing more, and when he came into existences he fulfill that Plan for Him which he had before the world began. Just that simple, we don't need another GOD or have to add anything to it, God took a pure HUMAN BEING (exactly like one of us) and perfected Him in the Flesh as…[Read more]

Kerwin……..So to you Jesus did Not (OVERCOME Sinful Temptations in HIM) Because He had no temptations of sin, right. So he really didn't overcome sin right because he never had any sinful temptations and He really was not tempted as we are not to really and to overcome (AS) HE DID is a false statement right, because he never personally dealt…[Read more]

Thinker ………..You can not prove if that Glory was a preplaned Glory that GOD had Planned for Jesus or not.  Believe what Peter said about Jesus, I believe He woud have Known do YOU. He said Jesus was (FOREORDAINED) that means (Fore Planned) to recieve this Glory, but only recieved it after He was GLORIFIED after His resurrection, Jesus Know…[Read more]

Thinker ……When we accept the Truth we are becoming one with GOD, That is why Jesus said me and the FARTHER are ONE, He did not mean one being but one in agreement. We are in GOD and GOD in Us by His words because His words impart His SPIRIT (INTELLECT) into us. And The Spirit (or) Intellect of Truth which is added to our consciousness causes…[Read more]

Irene……..You have a right to view it anyway you like, and i respect that right, But i don't see iot that way, I simply believe if John met Jesus he simply would have said Jesus. and I Know GOD is a Title and Jesus said there was (ONLY) ONE (TRUE) GOD. There are m any gods but for me (ONLY) ONE TRUE GOD, I stay with that. Thanks.love and peace…[Read more]

Chosenone……….Amen to that. I love Nick, but his biases block Him from coming to an understanding at times. IMOpeace and love top you and yours…………………….gene