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GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam…… Remember the Jew only represent a small fraction of Israel, just one tribe out of thirteen tribes. They like People to think they are representing all of Israel, and our scriptures in the Old Testament. Was brought to us by them, they weren’t, there were many writers of the Hebrew Scriptures that were not Jews at all.
The Jew do n…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Danny, where it says , I Jesus have sent my angel or messenger, to tell the Churches these things.. He was speaking about John, not an angelic being of some kind, as false Christianity teaches , it was John who wrote those things down and delivered it to the Churches, not some unknown, “angelic” being of some-kind.
peace and love to you and…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Mike, where do you see it written that Jesus is the wisdom of God at? And where does any scripture say Jesus was alive, before he was born on this earth either. There are certainly scriptures predicting his birth on this earth, in the Hebrew text, but none saying he was alive before his birth, nor any activity of him found, in any scripture be…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam……I see brother Proclaimer. some times as, half way in and half way out, he can also force us to think, but I do believe, he nearly always means well, even though he can get a little testy as we all can at times, but remember what Jesus said , ” have salt in yourselves” “and” have peace among you also”.
Remember when Jesus told Pete…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam…..it doesn’t bother me , because I understand, no one here has “all’ the truth. Because as Paul said we now see in part as looking through an obscure glass, but in that day we shall “all” see clearly, so we all lack some things brother. We are told to “grow” in grace “and” knowledge, which means we don’t have it all yet, and that my b…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam,…… the people of Jesus’ day knew exactly when the messiah was to be born, they even told king Herod . They were not ignorant to the time mentioned in Scriptures of his berth, by the Prophet Daniel, So if you disbelieve that Jesus was the true Messiah, then please tell us who was the “Messiah” at that time period mentioned. Because scri…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 9 months ago
Proclaimer…..Here is what, I believe you and others fail to understand , Jesus as a “prototype”, of , what God had in mind for his whole human creation, from the beginning even before he ever created anything that exists. That is what the Greek word “dia” is referring to, “not that”, Jesus was actually there when God created everythi…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam…..The Jew only represent “one” “thirteenth ” of the thirteen tribes of Israel. They are not now or every was the total representatives of all of Israel. That what the Jews want people to think, but the truth is they are but a fraction of the Israelite Nations, the United States, England Canada, Australia, is far more of a re…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
Adam…..The saying “this in Jacob”. Is not referring to just the Jews. it’s referring to all 13 tribes of Jacob. The Jew are but only 1/13 of Jacob, a very small segment of actual Israel, They present themselves as though they themselves are, “all” of Israel, but in truth they are not, they are just a small part of Israel. In many scrip…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 9 months ago
ADAM…..Isaiah 59:21, though makes it sound like the Lord was indeed talking about someone other then himself, when the LORD say’s this, “As for me, this is my covenant with them, said the LORD; my Spirit that is upon “YOU” , and “MY” WORDS which I have put in “THY” mouth, shall not depart out of “THY” MOUTH, nor the mouth of “THY” seed, nor…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam…….what you are referencing as text supporting the preexistence of Jesus only comes out that way if you force the text to say that. Example, Jesus said to those Pharisees “before Abraham I am “. The trip is in the use of the word “before”, where does it say “I “existed ” at, This requires some searching before applying the word <…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam…..it all boils down to the word (it self) and how John applied it, in the text.
There two , ways ……One is that of a single person, as in being against the“anointed one ” meaning against the person “anointed” by God.
Two, as in against the “Anointing ” itself , of the person.
I chose number two, as explained in what I last wrote…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam……Like wise, there is no real Antichrist “person”, the term Antichrist applies to many. It was coined by the apostle John and written only three times in scriptures, nearly alway tied to the idea of a disbelief in, the human flesh existence of Jesus . So there was a problem developing in the church that dealt with the belief of J…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam……This is what I believe 2th2 was saying, The man of sin is not a real person, it is a “false IMAGE” of Jesus being a God, Created by the “apostate” Churches. That is why Paul said the “mystery” of iniquity was already at work, in the church is what meant, in his day it was beginning to form. it was a “lie” about Jesus himself. …[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam……what I was trying to show is that Rev 17 is the place where we can time date the prophesy, when he said “five are fallen, “one IS, I tied that into, Daniel 2, which lists the progression of the future “Babylon ” kingdoms, to the Sixth kingdom, which is the Kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Resurrected Saint’s.
Daniel clearly shows…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Question of Parousia of Jesus – how Christianity manage the dilemma? in the forum Prophetic News & Eschatology 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam……I believe it is “impossible” to understand , the book of revelations , without properly understanding Rev 17, and The key that unlocks It is there.
Rev 17:7…..And the messenger said unto me, wherefore did you marvel? I will tell you the “mystery” of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads (risings) and…[Read more]GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Did God create all things through the Lord Jesus Christ? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam…..I also agree with that, but the difference I see is that it was not the original writers who did that, but the “trinitarian translators” who change word structures, to force the text to say was not intended to be said. Remember the New Testament came to us through the “trinitarian translators “. But that is just one reason, I bel…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Christian writers Misquoting Texts – What does Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam…..Ok, but you said Jesus brought out, those “prophecies ” correct? So what I am asking you, which prophecies do you see, or think, was about him. Can you give us your opinion brother?
I find what you are saying very interesting , because I also do believe the New Testament writing and some of the Old Testament has been corrupted from t…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Christian writers Misquoting Texts – What does Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam…..I also believe that the term “servant of God” in the OT refers to Israel in most places. And has been misapplied to Jesus in places also.
Good scholarship Adam, glad you are here brother.
I have a question for you, scripture says Jesus showed his deciles where he was mentioned in scriptures, that he revealed to them showing who he…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Christian writers Misquoting Texts – What does Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 4 years, 10 months ago
Adam……I see it as the author saying that Jesus was exactly as we “now” are, being made a little lower then the angel’s are for the tasting of death, exactly as we “now” are. But after his resurrection he, “now” has received the Glory and Honor, and “all” thing put under his, as it will be for all of mankind’s feet also, he is the “now”…[Read more]
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