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    Adam………….It was God that used the gentile nations to  persecute  the Jews, and kick them out of their land, he gave them and Israel out of the land he gave them also, and it was God who sent a sword  after the Jew’s , to destroy them in the nations they went to, just as scriptures says. While the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah, were…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 4 years, 8 months ago

    Proclaimer…….being called something does not make you that thing you are called.   Example,  if we call a plane a bird , is it really a “bird” , your logic says it is a bird,  when in fact it is not, but has a characteristic  of a bird, it flies like a bird.  No scripture says Jesus “is himself” Gods word, to say that is simply not true.  Now dot…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer……..That was a excellent video post brother.

    peace and love to you and yours……….gene

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    Carmel……..I said Jesus is even now a flesh being,  then you said, “I believe Jesus accomplished nothing by saying that” . I believe Exactly as Jesus said,  ‘the son of man (Jesus ) could do “nothing of himself”,  but the Father who is “in” him done the works”, question is do you ‘truly’ believe what Jesus himself said?  You people worship and sa…[Read more]

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    Carmel……Read what Irenaeus said in CA 185 AD. …..because that is exactly the way I believe.  Jesus was and is not a God of any kind. He did not preexist his existence on this earth either.   All your trinitarian teachings are lies and are not found in the true gospel of Jesus, or the Apostles, or anywhere in scriptures as you present it. Your te…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 4 years, 8 months ago

    To all…..Irenaeus.  (CD. 185 AD). is exactly right, he has presented the truth correctly, if you truly study what he wrote you will come to see very clearly there is “only” one true God, that created everything by himself and not through or by Jesus Christ, nor  anyone else either.

    peace and love to you all and yours……….gene

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    ADAM……Scripture that say “the word of God became flesh” is on of the most misunderstood scriptures in our scriptures for several reasons,  one is a very simple one , because a word is an expression of intellect, it has nothing to do with flesh, words never has and never will have either , words are spirit according to Jesus.
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    Berean …..I realize Jesus is your God, and you worship him as such,   but he is not my God, I have a God and it’s the same God , Jesus has.   Thank you for your concern though.

    peace and love to you and yours……..gene

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    Mike…..Your reasoning, of who is the actual creator of all things ,  and who is the only true God , is exactly right brother.  IMO, and I Like the way you use sound reasoning on these issues. I do agree with them.

    peace and love to you and yours…………gene 

     

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    Carmel…….What you wrote has nothing to do with a “PREEXISTING ” Jesus.  Forcing text to say what they infect don’t say is a true sign of a “TRINITARIAN”.

    All those who separate Jesus from his and our , “ONLY” flesh existence are “ANTICHRIST’S”  according to the apostle John, and I agree with him. 

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    Proclaimer……Jesus Christ did not preexist, his birth on this earth. He was prophesied to come into his existence before his actual birth, but he didn’t exist ,  till  the prophesy happened, when he came into his “ONLY” existence he ever had.

    You tell us Jesus preexisted, but as what,  you don’t know, nor does your fellow teachers the Trinitarians…[Read more]

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    Adam……Let’s not forget in the  book of  Acts, Peter also said that they (the Jews ) were responsible for the the death of Jesus.
    Acts 2:22-23……You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which “GOD” by him in the Midwest of you, as you yourselves,  Also know. (23) Hi…[Read more]

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    Adam……….I also believe that Isaiah 53,  was referring to the nation of Israel as the suffering  servant of God.   But we can’t rule out that God placed the sin of the world on the head of Jesus, as his sacrificial lamb, either.

    peace and love to you and yours Adam………gene

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    Adam……The execution of Jesus may be problematic for Bart Erhman,  because he didn’t  take into consideration,  that Pilot did not believe Jesus deserved to die,  and sought to free him on several occasions.  He even washed his hands about the whole matter,  so he could have Easley made an exception and allowed Jesus’ family and friends to gi…[Read more]

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    Adam……I like Bart Ehrman’s, Books a lot and many things he writes I agree with, but he lacks a very important then in his reasonings, in my opinion,   he never express or acknowledges that God himself plays  a Part in any of his historical reasonings. He makes it as if God plays no part in what has,  and is happening in the past,  or present,…[Read more]

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    Adam…..remember what the original word for “redeemed ”  means, it means to “buy back”. So the idea of something used to buy back, is scriptural.  We are told that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoso  believes in him should not Parrish. The thread of a redemptive process, through the paying of debt is woven throug…[Read more]

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    Berean…..why did you leave out the word “ONLY”. there? ,  So,  who is the real “wolf” in sheep’s clothing here?

    Jesus said,   “This is eternal life that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” “TRUE” God, and Jesus Christ who you have sent”.

    How clear can you get< the word “ONLY” means there is “NO” other “true” GOD , but ONE and Jesus was not talk…[Read more]

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    Berean…..Your big problem is, you have Jesus as your God, instead of the God of Jesus as your God. If you truly believed Jesus, you would say exactly what he said, “This is eternal life that they might know you “THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD”  , NOW ask yourself how much of what Jesus said there do you , “truly” Believe?

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    Adam…..The native Indians in America, believed in the “Great Spirit,” that was also in all creatures, the Eagle, the Buffalo, etc.  I tend to believe that also,  that God, who “is Spirit” is “in” all things that have life in them.  Life is given by him and returns back to him,  in him we have our “BENIG”.  He is what life itself “IS” . [Read more]

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    Adam…..Very good post brother,  I just wonder, could it be that In order to see God , we would have to come out side of him ( and because life is what God is) so that would mean we would have to come outside of him, and we would have to die, in order to achieve that?
    I am more and more convinced, God is what life “itself” is.  Remember what Paul…[Read more]

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