Mike…….Even if we agree with you interpretation , about the word “ginomai ”  , where does that say he existed as a sentinel being of any kind before his birth on this earth?  sure Jesus existed before Abraham,  in the plan and will of God, the “man” Jesus was God’s whole purpose for all of “MANKIND ‘S ” existence  , He was GOD’S PURPOSE FOR AL…[Read more]

Adam…..I completely agree with that,  many force the text to say what it is not actually saying,  but with the guidance of the “SPIRIT OF TRUTH” given to those God has chosen , the truth will come forth.  Satan has done a good job of twisting the truth of God’s words by false translators , to disguise the truth about “the “man” Jesus the anointe…[Read more]

Mike….you are right Jesus is the messenger who delivered What was given him from God the Father, and he delivered it to John another messenger of God , who delivered it to the Churches.  Just that simple,  Jesus is not an, angelic ” being”,  he is the “messenger”.

peace and love to you and yours……….gene

Mike….. First of all , the word “I existed” is not in the text , Jesus said Before Abraham I am.

The word “before” used there does not imply a time period.  But a rank or position of importance. The Jews used their tie to Abraham as their position of their importance.  John the Baptist had the same problem with them, that is why he told the tha…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..the word of God, “became”

became……came to pass , God the Father own prophesied words came to pass, or “came to be”, it was the “flesh man” Jesus,  when His human mother gave birth to him.   That verse is not saying Jesus is Gods word himself,  It’s saying the words God spoke through his prophets came to pass, it was the [Read more]

Berean……let me paraphrase it for you OK?,  “Jesus is the “only” “born flesh and blood human being, to become a Son of God,” yet,   (the first of many) to come.

Satan wants you to believe Jesus didn’t come into his only true existence through a human birth process,  and therefore is not of the human race.  That is exactly what you false teachers…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Tell us was Adan born or created,  you false assumption of them being the same is wrong, because “born”,  “ALWAYS”, implies a “BIRTH” process, while a creation does not.   Adam and eve were “CREATED”, not “born”,  The first person “BORN” was “CAIN”.  

Therefore Jesus said unto them,  “you are of your father (the devil),, because the…[Read more]

Mike……Right on brother.  Very good post to LU and Berean too.  That is the way I see it also,  one God who created everything “alone and by himself”. Isa 44:24,   God does nothing through his servants but speakers his words to them and sends them out to tell his words, to who he sends them to.  That is exactly what he did with the prophets…[Read more]

To all……Your using the word “firstborn”,  to mean first created.
Born is completely different then “created “.
Jesus is the first human being “born of the womb of a women, to enter into the kingdom of God.” He is also given by God that firstborn status of them who will also exactly like him will enter into the Kingdom of God also,   but none of…[Read more]

LU….. Jesus said clearly ,  “call no man on earth your father, for one is “your” father who is in heaven”.
And again,  He told us to pray like this , “our”  Father Who art in heaven”….he includes himself by using  the word “OUR”. 

and again, he said,  “your” father in heaven knows you have need of these things”

and again he said , [Read more]

Berean……Good posts brother.
peace and love to you and yours……..gene

ADAM…….This is what God said,

Isa 50:1…..Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother’s divorcement, “whom I have put away? Or which of my creditors is it, to whom I have sold her?,  Behold for your iniquities have , “YOU” SOLD YOURSELVES, and for “YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS ”  YOU MOTHER  IS YOUR MOTHER PUT-AWAY.  

That is the way I see it,  …[Read more]

Adam……Every person, nation, fathers and sons,  are brought in judgement for their own sin, not the sin of another,  Israel, and Judah,  transgressed greatly against their God,  they were not now or then being used as a “suffering servant ” of God.  Read the blessings and cursing, given them in Lev 26:14-42.  God said he would bring on them for…[Read more]

Adam……The one who persecuted And cast Israel out of their land was God himself,  and he used the Assyrians to do it, because of all their unfaithfulness to him. Adam,   Don’t let them make you  think they were this ” Holy” pious,  persecuted servant, people of God,  because that is far from the truth.

Jer 3:8…..And I saw  when for all the cause…[Read more]

Adam……The exact time of the coming of the Messiah written  by Daniel, was given to the Jewish King Herod  by the Jewish scribes themselves, that is why he went about killing the Male children under two years old in Jerusalem, sure seems they know when the Messiah would be born right? How do the Jews disclaim that fact in their denial of Jesus…[Read more]

Adam……It wasn’t the original writers, the disciples  of Jesus,  that did that , it was those later who infiltrated the church and  altered the truth to fit their false teachings,  like the Gnostic’s and others, who formed the false teachings of the trinity and PREEXISTING Jesus,  it was not the true teachers of Jesus who did that. Jesus himsel…[Read more]

Danny……………….Your hunting for anything that can contradict what Irenaeus said and  clearly explained in (ca 185 AD) .   Danny that the problem here people hunt and peck and add words and change meanings in order to force the truths that are clearly written, in other places in our text.
Danny I am telling you , Irenaeus in (ca.185 AD)

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Berean……yes God’s word was indeed with God, just us as your word is with you.  You can’t separate yourself from your words, neither can God either  .

peace and love to you and yours……….gene

Adam……if we ad scriptures those Jews did all kind of things to the Propets who prophesied against them, there are hundreds of  examples clearly written in   the Hebrew  Texts,  scriptures about Jeremiah. Ezekiel, they tried to kill, Moses they tried to get rid of,  even forced Eron,  to make a idol for them to worship their Gods. Even Joseph th…[Read more]

Adam…….Do you actually Believe God did what he did to Israel and the Jew’s , without reason?  They constantly sinned against God , giving the things God gave them,  as given to them from the Gods of those other nations, provoking  God the Father to do what he did to then, they became to God a unholy people, corrupt from head to tow.
They were nev…[Read more]