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GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Is salvation by us, or of God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
terraricca………….Hunger and Poverty, thats what forced him back, Free WILL had nothing to do with it.
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic The arian dissenters in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2010,18:00)Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 16 2010,01:44)Amen to that post brother Marty. May God help us to have united opinion on our Saviour.Peace and loveAdamAdamI am glad to see that Jesus is your Savour but it wasn't to long ago you were denying Jesus as the Messiah, what gives?WJWJ………Adam never denied Jesus…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Does hell last for eternity? in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
To ALL…….can anyone tell us how you cast death and Hell into a literial lake of fire? How does that work literally? Maybe Nick or David understands how that is done, seeing they believe in a (LITERAL Lake of FIRE)> but neither seem to be able to explain it.
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Is salvation by us, or of God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Terriacca……….If your trying to us the Periodical son story there was nothing Free About it, He wanted to do what his own lusts wanted, he was not free but under the control of LUSTS for HIMSELF. HIS Father just let him go and do what he wants to do, but when his poverty came he them realized how well he had it at home and that (INFLUENCED)…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Determinism in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2010,23:47)geneyou looking for a free rideTerraricca……… And you what are you paying for your salvation with. Self WORKS, derived at from Your so-called (FREE WILL). “Come BUY without PRICE”, My salvation has already been paid for , That my friend is a FREE RIDE for ME, it wasn't for Jesus, it cost him his life.…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Determinism in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Kerwin…..I understand your logic, However Scripture says “GOD is (NOT) WILLING (ANY) PARISH”. So why would he WILL to destory any, and if he is the POTTER and WE the CLAY, then, he will make us as He sees fit, but there is a positive thing going for all his creation it appears, and that is (HIS) WILL, and after all (HE) IS GOD. Rom 8:20..> For…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Is salvation by us, or of God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2010,04:40)Gene, what you call Jesus' influenced will is what some call his free will. They would state that Jesus subjected his free will to God. In other words he denied himselfKerwin………Indeed he did ,He put HIS WILL to death completely by not doing it at all, all the way to the death on the cross or stake. He e…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Is salvation by us, or of God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
JA………….Eve did (NOT) exercise a (FREE WILL) but an (INFLUENCED WILL) Satan beguiled Her that is a (INFLUENCE), not FREE AT ALL. Actually Adam and EVE Had no WILL, there eyes were closed and did not exercise there own Separate WILLS. The words your are trying to equate as “FREE” Will offering , is a Offering from the ones own self, without…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Is salvation by us, or of God? in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
To ALL…….Even GOD'S WILL is (NOT) A “FREE” WILL, because there is (NO) Such thing as (FREE) , WILLS, or there would not exist (ANY) WILL , A WILL (IS) the expression of INFLUENCES> GOD DOES ALL THINGS AFTER THE (COUNCIL) OF HIS (OWN) WILL , SO DO YOU. This shows even GOD'S has a (COUNSELED) or influenced WILL. There is (NO) Such thing as A…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Do you think the suffering you go through is caused by God? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 16 years, 7 months ago
terraccia………Go back and read the Parable of the unjust Judge and think about what Jesus Said, He said even though GOD does speedily answer, never the less , When the Son of Man comes, will he find Faith (ON) The EARTH, then is said i doubt it. Because i believe Most do not retain their proofs that GOD (BY) GRACE gives them and many have none…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Do you think the suffering you go through is caused by God? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 16 years, 7 months ago
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 16 2010,14:56)Quote (Gene @ Jan. 16 2010,11:15)To All……..No man (REPENTS) ON HIS OWN, repentance is as a result of the GRACE of GOD. GOD Takes out of of the STONY Hearts by opening up our minds to what we have done from a Godly perspective or Love perspective and it (AUTOMATICALLY CAUSES US TO REPENT). REPENTANCE IS…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Do you think the suffering you go through is caused by God? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 16 years, 7 months ago
Terraricca……Remember Jesus said we could do greater works then He did , because He was gong to heaven and leaving the earth. Nothing has changed except the loss of (TRUE) Faith and replaced with Suppositions as Jesus Prophesied would happen. He even said if you had the Faith of a grain of mustard seed , you shall or (COULD) say unto this…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Do you think the suffering you go through is caused by God? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 16 years, 7 months ago
terraricca……..There is no difference between then and now , GOD never changes, He still performs miracles day in and day out. He has done many miracles for me in my life and many can attest to them. Nothing has changed except what people regard as FAITH, today they think its anything you accept as fact, without any real Proof> They don't even…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Do you think the suffering you go through is caused by God? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 16 years, 7 months ago
To All……..No man (REPENTS) ON HIS OWN, repentance is as a result of the GRACE of GOD. GOD Takes out of of the STONY Hearts by opening up our minds to what we have done from a Godly perspective or Love perspective and it (AUTOMATICALLY CAUSES US TO REPENT). REPENTANCE IS (not) A self ACT it is a GODLY act given to us through the operation of…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Determinism in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
terriraccia………Why do you go againt Jesus' words , he (PLAINLY) SAID, (NO MAN) (CAN COME) UNTO HIM UNLESS THE FATHER (DRAW) HIM. Please check out the Greek word for (DRAW) . You are continually trying to make salvation a work of MAN. GOD said he looked for (ONE) righteous Man and said HE found (NONE)> So he took it upon his (OWN) ARM to…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 7 months ago
Thinker ……..if you care to investigate further you will find it say (UNIQUE) Jesus is unique because He is the (FIRST) Bron from the GRAVE from mankind, and given eternal life, and the last will be Just like Him.
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Determinism in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Kerwin……..I agree with that , except it is GOD that (CAUSES) that desire in the FIRST PLACE. NOT of ourselves. That is the POINT>
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Virgin birth in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Irene……..I agree Most likely Mary was a YOUNG VIRGIN, I really believe that , because that was a common requirement in Israel at that time. But what we are talking about is the word used there in the Hebrew text it is not written Virgin but young women or maiden, that is the (ONLY) Point we are discussing, The other Point is the Prophesy…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Virgin birth in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2010,05:31)G, Thank you for acknowledging it is . If you believed in and relied on scripture you would have a stable foundation.Nick………Right and if you believed and relied on (ALL) scriptures, you might see what is being discussed Here, There is a inconsistence in scriptures Here, that is what we are talking…[Read more]
GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Virgin birth in the forum Truth or Tradition 16 years, 7 months ago
Kerwin……..You have yet to commit on the Immanuel issue , do you think it was a prophesy about Jesus or not. I was at one time greatly involved with the Jews in this debate, we went into great depth about it, I maintained it did relate with Jesus' Berth, but could not absolute prove it and after a while had to admit they were right on this one…[Read more]
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