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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 16 years, 6 months ago

    WJ…….You have it, “FREE” WILL is an OXYMORON, A WILL can NOT be a WILL if It is (FREE) of any influence. A Will means it is being (INFLUENCED) of it simply would not be a WILL. The same with GOD and MAN. What people get mixed up is that Because GOD give us Liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED WILLS) that equates to a “FREE WILL” (IN) the…[Read more]

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    Mike ….. There are many scriptures that show what a soul is and you will find a soul is connected with the body and can't exist without a Body. Here are a few Job 16:4, Psa 7:5, Psa 33:19, Psa 141:19, Psa 143:3, Psa 16:10………> Mike Jesus did not ask GOD to recieve HIs Soul, But His Spirit, His Soul went to the grave He perished Until his…[Read more]

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    Georg………No, our minds reflect the (INTELLECTS) or Spirit that is in US. You mind is where your intellect is stored . Its what you think with. Nick say i am basing this on two verses that I don't Understand , When in fact He is the one who does not understand them IMO. I simply Believe what Jesus (clearly) Said, He has Yet to disprove any of…[Read more]

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    T8…….I am not able to edit my posts now, can you fix it. thanks Gene

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    Mikeboil……the word used there is not Garanna but GRAVE. It comes from the English word Hellos , which simply means to bury. Some like Nic uses Shilo, which also means grave. Here is something that might Help you, Jesus said “fear not him that can kill the body and after that can do nothing else, But fear Him who can destory both, body and Soul…[Read more]

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    Nick……..if you realize that there are seven Spirits of God these are considered (EYES) of GOD, They are each a Distinct (type) (INTELLECT) And form the mind of ONE GOD and GOD gives Us from these Spirits or Intellects, Jesus has all seven in Him now, and with these He will set up the Kingdom of GOD on the earth. We all derive our Intellects…[Read more]

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    Nick…….Thoughts are (derived) from our intellects is what i meant to say, and Spirits are those intellects. When we speak we express our thoughts derived from our (INTELLECTS) (SPIRIT) same thing. “what knows a man except the Spirit in Man”. IMO

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    NIck…….You and Terraricca……..Need to produce Scripture top support you ideas. So Far Neither of you have, you just produce you suppositions and opinions. That in it self is not wrong But it does need some Scripture support. So show us where a (SPIRIT) is A SOUL without a body to be in or for that matter show us where a body is a SOUL ,…[Read more]

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    Terraccia……….Good let look at genesis then. When did man become a Nafesh or Living SOUL , when? When Spirit (breath of GOD) was breathe into His FLESH BODY. and (Then) “man became (what)? a living SOUL”. “when a man dies His thoughts parish”. He is no longer a (LIVING) SOUL. Trying to makes it appear as elementary is a ploy you use to…[Read more]

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    Nick………I believe in devils as Jesus taught it, PETER WAS SATAN and JUDAS WAS A DEVIL, I just don;t believe He taught there was (ONE) BEING called a DEVIL, and SATAN, I believe there are Many Devils and Satan's everywhere in the world in fact the world is run by them. That is the spirit (intellect) of adversaries of GOD. That is the prince…[Read more]

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    terraricca………again you assumptions, please post scripture to back up your hypotheses. I find no where in scripture where a (SOUL) leaves a man. What i find is a SOUL= A BODY + SPIRIT a Soul is the combination of a body and Spirit, nothing else. Jesus said “do not fear Him who can destory the Flesh (body) and after that can do nothing else,…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 16 years, 6 months ago

    Terraricca…..Again Just talk, show us scripture that back you up, i personally don't want to here you own view. My bible say ” FOR GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS WILL> BUT you say GOD WILL does NOT COUNSEL HIM. And Now you are saying God is the one who gives counsel, advise, wisdom, guidance, directions, approval, understanding,…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 16 years, 6 months ago

    Terraricca………Wrong again all influences are (NOT) outside of you , in fact most are (INSIDE OF YOU). “Not that which goes into a man defiles the man but that which comes out of His mouth, for it proceeds forth from his Heart, and that is what defiles the Man. You are influenced by your thinking terraricca, perhaps that is why you can…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2010,07:53)Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 21 2010,06:15)GeneSo, then, which spirit will go to heaven when they die, man's or animals?GeorgHi Georg and Gene,In my humble understanding, spirit is not intellect.  Spirit is the “life force” that flows through us.  It is a steady flow from God through all living things, then back t…[Read more]

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    Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 21 2010,06:15)GeneSo, then, which spirit will go to heaven when they die, man's or animals?GeorgGeorg ….> the spirit (intellect) of man goes back to who gave it. Job 32:8…..> But there is a Spirit (IN) Man and the Inspiration of the ALMIGHTY gives them UNDERSTANDING. George when an animal dies it is dead for ever, but…[Read more]

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    ED J………The difference is you admit doing that, and I have never admitted being an Atheist as Stuart does I have argued many times with Stuart about my disagreements concerning His evolutionary views, many times here and on another web site. It is your FALSE assumptions that is trying to discredit me in the eyes of people Here. And also…[Read more]

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    ED J……….If you are so ignorant to think we have not advanced in Medical understanding from the time of Jesus. And are using this to some how Justify your false assumptions of what I addressed , I find that a weak and Ignorant reply. Please stick to the Posts and subject matter profiling people is just and ignorant thing to do, it proves…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 16 years, 6 months ago

    Terraricca……..If we sin (WILLFULLY) Has nothing to do with us Having a (FREE WILL) (IN) US> As i explained earlier GOD allows us LIBERTY, to do our (CAPTIVATED WILLS) to a point. that in no way means we posses (FREE Wills) YOU OR ED J HAVE never posted (ONE) Scripture that say we HAS a “FREE” WILL (IN) US. Nowhere in scripture is there ONE…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2010,06:02)Thanks, Gene!I'm confused by your wording, though.  Don't you believe the Word was Jesus?Mikeboil……….I read John as written, I don't Change words in the text to force it to say what the author, (JOHN) wrote, this is what TRINITARIANS do. If something does not say what they want it to, they simply…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64…………You have it right. they try to make a case from just One word even if it is against the over all scriptures and in some case not even the word used in the sentence structure as for instance they say the word (WORD) in John 1:1 Means Jesus, not even reasoning that if that is what John Meant He would have Just simply wrote…[Read more]

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