To All…….when Jesus described himself, what did he say, did he say he literately preexisted his berth, NO he did not ever say that. But He giving reference to himself said .Rev 1:18….> I am he that lives (present tense) and was dead (past-tense); and , behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen.Does anyone see here that Jesus said He was alive…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2010,14:47)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2010,14:38)T8………The term “firstborn” still references a Position even if you apply it to a literial first born son. Jesus could not have (become) the First Born Son of GOD unless He recieved it after his berth through an adoption process, because he would already have been…[Read more]

JA……..I think that word (ONLY) should be more properly pronounced (UNIQUELY) begotten Son. Those who have GOD Spirit (IN) them are all being Begotten of GOD. IMOpeace and love ………………..gene

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 01 2010,07:35)Genesis 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Romans 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.   2  For the law of…[Read more]

T8………The term “firstborn” still references a Position even if you apply it to a literial first born son. Jesus could not have (become) the First Born Son of GOD unless He recieved it after his berth through an adoption process, because he would already have been the First Born or Begotten right? and why would GOD say. “(THIS) day i have…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 01 2010,10:11)Oh, just re-read your post.Jesus is the firstborn God (Caps) – Since when can GOD (Caps) be created – God (Caps) is not a Created entity.I'm not getting into debate about “GOD”, “God” and “god” – Mike has that covered at length.The outcome it seems,  unless there are any latecomers, despite all the Experts…[Read more]

Mike……..God gives (HIS) Glory to NO ONE. Isa 42:8…..> I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will i not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.The Glory Jesus has, is the Glory GOD placed on him and it is to the GLORY of GOD we are to give him Honor. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………..gene

To All…….The words ” FIRST- BORN……..can be quite confusing. because it can be taken two way, one is the very first in a sequence of events, the other cane be as first Place in position or status. In fact it can even mean both. GOD even called Ephraim His FIRST BORN.Jer 31:9….> The shall come with weeping and with supplications, will I…[Read more]

Mike……….Amen Brother.peace and love to you and yours………………gene

SF………..It is obvious that the Captivity Here is referencing ones Mental state, an imprisonment of the mind. Jesus said “the words i am telling you are (spirit)” and they are life”. These Spirit word must be Spiritually perceived, you are changing what Jesus and scripture was inferring in Isa 61:I as well as when Jesus quoted them in Luke…[Read more]

Nick and T8……………Amen the that.peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

Mike………Amen to that brother.peace and love to you and yours……………..gene

Terraricca………God is Not (FORCING) People HE is DRAWING them. By the effectual WORKING of HIS SPIRIT (IN) there hearts and minds. Again for the hundredth time < Jesus (SAID) NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME EXCEPT THE FATHER (DRAW) HIM. No what part of that don't you understand . Can't you see how this so-called "FREE" Will thinking has screwed up…[Read more]

Terraricca………It seem you are between two straights , is it your So Called “FREE” WILL or is it GOD'S WILL , If GOD'S WILL is the ONLY WILL the will be DONE then (Your) WILL will have to die. GET IT? YOUR “OLD PERSON” is your OLD WILL and it must DIE. Even Following Christ means putting you own will to death also as He did his.peace and…[Read more]

Mike……….That is the whole Problem with trinitarians they read into scriptures more then what is stated, to force the text to meet their dogmas, all the while ignoring other that clearly show there errors. They have so conditioned their minds to reject the truth and stick to their own conjectures they just can't see the truth at all. IMOpeace…[Read more]

SF………..If I make a Choice based on (PERCEPTIONS) of thing then that means my “WILL was (NOT) FREE but based on (PERCEPTION) of things. GET IT. So now What (CAUSED) those “PERCEPTIONS” , Was it not our past assoications with things, and these form our desires through the knowledge they impart to us. So a WILL is a FORGED thing (NOT FREE AT…[Read more]

Adam………The suffering Servant is Not Israel because they never obeyed GOD, they were rebellious and God cast them out of their land for that reason, hardly a picture of a suffering (SERVANT) Kerwin does have a point here brother. Adam you must remember the Jews (overall) reject Jesus and the New Testament. We are warned to beware of the…[Read more]

Georg……….The Hebrew translates it < the earth (became) toho and boho or void and chaotic without life, as i recall, not that it alway was that way before the creation of MAN.peace and love to you and Irene…………………….gene

JA…………> These promises are also given to us, Who are also considered First Fruits unto GOD, heirs and Joint heirs with Jesus. Rev 2:28…> And i shall give him the (morning star).Rev 22:16…> I Jesus have sent my messenger (JOHN) to testify unto you these things in the churches, I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and…[Read more]

JA………..I also think (The) beining was a time before Genesis . Because the definite article (the) Specifies a specific time and seeing that none is mentioned there it must refer to the very beginning of all things. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………gene