Mike………….Martian is right brother. you have failed to prove your points with Philippians 2, i said we seem to have a stale mate because you fail to acknowledge your errors, not because we have failed to produce the proofs. Now we are told the Spirit (BOTH) accuses us or defends us, Do you see this at work (IN) your, is the eye of your…[Read more]

Irene…………ARE Son and Daughters of GOD Also? John seemed to think we are (NOW) son of GOD . Do you really believe that or not , if you do then what is so mysterious about Jesus being called a Son of GOD, He was begotten at the Jordan river by the same Spirit which begets Us. Or would you prefer to not (REALLY) BE A CO- equal sister of Jesus…[Read more]

Mike…………Now that we have exhausted Philippians lets move on brother. We all surely await your new scriptures that you use to defend your position brother.peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

martian……….Amen to that post brother.peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:00)Okay barley Gene and Martian,You have all made it clear that you read the words differently than I do.  I want to point out one last thing before calling Phil 2 a stalemate.  And by that, I mean there is no sense in us brothers beating each other up when it is clear that none of us is just being obstinate h…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 28 2010,14:06)Okay barley Gene and Martian,No, actually you read different words than those that are there.He took upon himself the form of a servant.  It does not say, he took upon himself the form of a man.  As you stated, he was already in the form of a man.God is spirit. John 4;24, the like ness of God is spirit. The f…[Read more]

Irene………..All men and women came from heaven, the Spirit of Life in them all came from Heaven our bodies are one thing our spirits are quite another, All recieved their Spirits (intellects) from Heaven from GOD, what the difference about Jesus, non. He did (NOT) exist as a person until he was born on earth and then as we he became a living…[Read more]

WJ…………..Mighty God and the (ALMIGHTY GOD) are not the same thing. One is powerful the other is (ALL) powerful. Saying they are the same is an (ASSUMPTION) on you part.Thomas called Jesus my Lord and My GOD, meaning the same person or being is also an (ASSUMPTION) on you part, You have no proof that he was not simply recognizing the GOD the…[Read more]

WJ…………..Mighty God and the (ALMIGHTY GOD) are not the same thing. One is powerful the other is (ALL) powerful. Saying they are the same is an (ASSUMPTION) on you part.Thomas called Jesus my Lord and My GOD, meaning the same person or being is also an (ASSUMPTION) on you part, You have no proof that he was not simply recognizing the GOD the…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 27 2010,11:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,11:55)Quote (barley @ July 26 2010,11:00)Might I add?Jesus Christ chose to be obedient to his parents.  I chose to be obedient to mine.Hi barley,Why do you keep avoiding the very simple question?  If Jesus was already in the form of a human WHILE he was in the form of God, how d…[Read more]

Mike…………Phil 2 does not advance, your acquired teaching of Jesus preexistence, You might as well scrap that text it does not support you theology brother. IMOpeace and love ……………………..gene

Mike……………. Are you beginning to get the picture yet. Jesus was and always will be one of Us brother, he never was any different then us. He was the (firstborn) from man kind to have eternal life and experience the resurrection from the dead as this is our hope too. He gave us a perfect example of How a man must become saved and enter…[Read more]

Mike……..look Jesus had the (same identical nature we have, a human nature, he also had as we can a divine nature , the only exception was he had the fullness of the spirit coupled with great power and authority , given him because he was without sin as explained by martian before, He simply did not advance himself by using it to bring glory…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,08:29)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2010,06:37)Mike……….You are not answering the question right , i was not talking about Jesus (NOW) position (NOR) His prior Berth on earth existence , But Paul was talking about His (EARTHLY) existence , that was a past existence for Jesus  at (THE) time Paul wrote the…[Read more]

Mike………..You teach preexistence , should we feel the same about you, because your lack of understanding? Let not take God the Fathers and Jesus Christ job on ourselves, we are told to Judge nothing before the time. If a man give so much as a drink of water to a disciple he in no wise shall lose his reward. Mike i have found Oxy honest with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,02:21)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 25 2010,12:33)Mike…………Martian is presenting Phil 2 that right way brother. You can not use it for any proof text , you need to try something else maybe another scripture will help you case better.peace and love…………………………geneHi Gene,There are many more…[Read more]

Mike……..Not everything Oxy said was wrong brother, Just like not everything you say is not right either. IMOOxy is our brother if God has excepted him who are we to cast dispersions. It's one thing to disagree with what a person say , it's quite another to cast dispersions on him or anyone else. “JUDGE OR CONDEMN NOTHING BEFORE THE TIME”. FOR…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2010,05:49)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 25 2010,01:28)Mike…………..If Jesus according to preexistences created everything them he would have had to be in (THE) Beginning and No one was there in (THE) Beginning except GOD Alone.  Here is something to chew on brother.Isa 44:24…..> Thus saith the LORD, they…[Read more]

Mike………..Your assumption is that Jesus was equal to GOD , but Jesus said He could do nothing of or (by himself) and it was the Father (IN) him doing the works. So how do you now say he was equal with GOD , Jesus sure did not think he was did he. Again you are assuming things that are not written. What Paul's was saying was Jesus was…[Read more]

Mike……….”Form”, does not in that context mean Shape, it is implying Spiritual Substance, and the timing is crucial, is the word existed or existing , if you get a Greek linear you will see it say (existing) as a present tense state not a past tense state as a preexistent being would require, and if you use it as a past tense state even…[Read more]