WJ………..You are right Calvinist are indeed Trinitarians and Preexistence both they are they Daughters of the Catholic Church. Peace and love……………………….gene

LU…………Look up Tohu and Bohu, the earth became Tohu and Bohu, there was indeed another creation here and was destroyed, even the fossils prove that they thousands of years old into the hundreds of thousands of years old. And God said he would create all thing New again there will be a new heaven and earth. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

DBF…………………God did not create anything through any one ever, He did it Himself and alone as he said he did. He also said there was no other GOD besides himself and Jesus said He was the (ONLY) true GOD. Jesus never said he had created anything nor did any of the apostles say he did either. You have bought into the false teachings of…[Read more]

Mike………….Bring Jesus back to your (EXACT) identity and you will find renewed Hope brother and delight yourself in His GOD and OUR GOD , His Father and OUR FATHER. Our testimony about Jesus is right brother. Undue yourself from all those false teachings of the TRINITY and PREEXISTENCES, and you (WILL) find renewed HOPE Brother.peace and…[Read more]

Mike……….Your problem is to convience us that , that glory Jesus had (Before) as an existing Being of some kind. God has destined may to that glory, here is an example. “What is man that thou are so mindful of him, and the sons of men that your are so kind to them , for thou hast created them lower then the Angels for the tasting of death,…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 06 2010,17:44)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2010,20:00)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 05 2010,18:54)[Just like the pharaoh, God hardend his heart and used him, becaues he knew that no matter what way that God demonstrated himself without forcing pharaoh to love him, that pharaoh would reject him.SF…………..Eze…[Read more]

Mike………Patting ourselves on the back has nothing to do with it , but your failure to produce your proof by using that particular text does have everything to do with it brother.peace and love to you and yours Mike…………………………gene

JA…………Martians posts are definitely (NOT) pointless brother. There is no place more need for martian's and darely's analytic Spirit driven minds then here brother. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

martian………..Right on, God and His Word are one and the same thing, just as our words and us are the same thing. The word of God is an (IT) and (IT) is GOD, and the word (IT) was (IN) Jesus by the Christos or anointing. The false teaching of the Trinity is indeed supported by the False teaching of the Preexistence of Jesus As the (word)…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 08 2010,06:33)Quote (martian @ Aug. 08 2010,03:52)I will be posting several quotes on the subjects of Christ.http://www.intergate.com/~jcordaro/preexist%3f.htmlYahweh Sent His SonThe New Testament uses several phrases that would suggest that our Savior existed as a being in heaven prior to his earthly birth. Among those…[Read more]

JA……….Why do you keep trying to force yourself over others , martian is 100% accurate in what he has posted, why not just say thanks martian instead of find some kind of ridicule. Then come back and say both you version and interpretations apply, Your insinuations only sever to distort the truth being put forth here and serves no Godly…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 08 2010,03:54)John's Predecessor?Jn.1:15 certainly suggests a pre-existence as it appears in the KJV; “John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.” First, the idea of preference is not found in the Greek. The word translated…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 07 2010,12:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 05 2010,11:54)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2010,02:54)Mike………..Paul was talking about a (existence  of a past event) when Jesus existed on earth before his assent He existed in the (form or nature ) of God because  God was (IN) Him , but he did not try to be equal with Him b…[Read more]

Dbf………..In (THE) beginning is referencing the beginning of everything that ever existed, The definite article (THE) Plants that beginning as the (very beginning) of everything that ever existed. If John wanted to say the Beginning of some later time periods he would have said which beginnings he was talking about. But because he did not say…[Read more]

To ALL………….Here is what you have here , basically three groups of Opinions. One………GOD is Jesus who preexisted and Morphed himself as a Man (in) disguised and died and raised himself from the grave.One………A preexistence Angle was Jesus who morphed Himself as a disguised human being died and God raised him up from the dead.One…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 05 2010,18:54)[Just like the pharaoh, God hardend his heart and used him, becaues he knew that no matter what way that God demonstrated himself without forcing pharaoh to love him, that pharaoh would reject him.SF…………..Eze 36:26…..> A New heart also will i give you, and a new spirit will i put within you: and…[Read more]

Mike………….Have you become a false accuser of the brethren as others also, Show where I have posted something that was not scriptural, because i don't agree with you on your preconceived dogmas does not mean i am posting any mind boggling things. It is mind boggling to you perhaps maybe, but not to others. IMOYou say martian bolts out the…[Read more]

Mike …………..ALL thing come forth from the (MIND) of GOD , do you believe this or not. Scripture say in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with GOD and the Word Was GOD , right, now ask yourself what is a WORD is it not the expression of the (MIND) . “And GOD (SAID) LET THERE BE, that means it all came from the mind of GOD. GOD and…[Read more]

Mike………..Paul was talking about a (existence of a past event) when Jesus existed on earth before his assent He existed in the (form or nature ) of God because God was (IN) Him , but he did not try to be equal with Him because he was a man and not a GOD and He Know that even though GOD was (IN) HIM. So he took the position as a Servant…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 04 2010,20:38)Hey Gene.When a murderer says, “The Devil MADE me do it”, I guess with your doctrine should he not be forgiven.After all, he was not free to do otherwise according to you.I await your possible reply as it depends on whether you are allowed to by reason of being able to make that choice.T8……….It certainly was an…[Read more]