To All……….the simple fact is the GOD the Father (ALONE) is the source of (ALL) life the has (EVER) existed both Now and forever. He live (IN) his creation giving it life and sustaining it. Apart from Him there is (NO) life. even those who walk in disobedience to Him are still Kept alive by Him. If he were to retract His Spirit (ALL) would…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 13 2010,17:10)WJ,I have seen your post concerning JA's 'begetting Mike' and that was 'right on'. Even JA didn't spot that!Shimmer, please stay…just don't get deeply involved.You are a 'leveller' who brings us back to simple reality, and such ones are needed here.Yes, you suffer for it, but you suffer in Christ, and that…[Read more]

Barely and martian………..I appreciate both of your posts , the spirit of soundness is in them always. You both give us great encouragements and enlightens the Spirit in Us. Those who have the spirit of truth (IN) them Know the sound of that Spirit, they have that Spirit installed (IN) them by GOD the Father. These are the Sheep who follow the…[Read more]

Professor………..I think you misunderstood Adam , He definitely does not believe Jesus is a GOD. Nor that he preexisted as a being before his berth on earth either.peace and love……………………..gene

Mike………..Was Jesus also in heaven when He said those things (NO), Jesus was also (FIGURATIVELY) speaking about the Glory He had with the Father before the world began also. Why can you apply it to one thing and not the other, Jesus was (FOREORDAINED) for that (GLORY) before he ever existed all the way back to the garden of Eden. While flesh…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2010,14:05)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2010,01:36)Mike……….barely  and martian is right you have completely arranged the text to meet you preconceived ideologies and are not being truthful with the text as it is written, you force it to a conclusion that fits yours, but the text does not (actually) say what you…[Read more]

Mike……..You have failed to produce (ONE) scripture that shows Jesus' preexistence life in any way. You claim Jesus created everything, But in Isaiah 44:24 we are (CLEARLY) told this….> THUS SAITH THE LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed you from the womb, (I) am the LORD that (MAKES ALL THINGS); that stretches forth the heavens (ALONE);…[Read more]

Mike……..So you say we are not reserved unto Gogy and Honor as Jesus was. Well scripture seem to disagree with you.Psa 8:5 What is man , that thou are mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou has visited him? Vers 8:5 …> For thou has made him a little lower than the angles, and hast crowned him with (GLORY) AND HONOR.Now tell us when was…[Read more]

942767………..It is obvious to us that is what it is saying, but not all understand correctely brother.peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2010,11:45)Quote (barley @ Aug. 12 2010,10:48)You have done the same thing with these verses.  You leave out important phrases then say, they don't matter, because they do not fit your personal agenda.Read Martian's thread on how he works the scriptures, you have a lot to learn.Hi barley,Why don't you show me how the…[Read more]

To ALL………..! Jo 3:2….> Beloved, (NOW) are we the SONS OF GOD, and it do the not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall see him (AS) He (Jesus) is. And every man that has this hope (IN) him purifies himself, even as he (Jesus) is pure.WE will appear Just like Jesus and be exactly the same as He is with…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 11 2010,04:18)So I can't and won't argue the point that Jesus was foreordained as we all were.  But the difference is that none of us could say what Jesus said in John 17:5.  Could you ask God to glorify you in His presence with the SAME GLORY YOU HAD IN HIS PRESENCE BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD?  Were YOU in God's PR…[Read more]

Mike………You keep saying we don't answer your question but in fact they were answered by me as well as martian it is you just fail to acknowledge it. I have also noticed when you are cornored to a specific and clear logical conclusion you do not acknowledge it brother.peace and love………………………gene

Irene………Any man who had the fullness of the Spirit can and will be (EXACTLY) like Jesus in (EVERY) Way Sis. Your see that is our Hope of our calling to be (PERFECTED) AS JESUS WAS. “Let this mind be (IN) you that was (ALSO) in Christ Jesus our lord”. No difference same spirit same mind. Can't you see that sister? That is our hope it is to be…[Read more]

Adam…………Indeed the False teaching of “FREE” Will is completely against the Will of GOD and is a Doctrine from Man who choses to be His (OWN) GOD, and will only accept GOD (IF) his So-called “FREE” will allows it. another words a self salvation granted by man himself. This makes man in charge and Puts GOD in a lesser position , by…[Read more]

Mike………Two things………So you really are saying we (CAN NOT) actually come to the (FULL MEASURE) of Christ Jesus. Even though scripture says the opposite.Eph 4:13……> Till we (all) come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a (PERFECT) man, unto the (MEASURE OF THE STATURE) of the (FULLNESS) of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2010,14:50)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2010,02:07)Mike………….Bring Jesus back to your (EXACT) identity and you will find renewed Hope brother and delight yourself in His GOD and OUR GOD , His Father and OUR FATHER. Our testimony about Jesus is right brother. Undue yourself from all those false teachings of the…[Read more]

Mike……….So when are you going to use your next scripture to try to support you preexistence doctrine. You have completely failed on Philippians rather you will admit it or not brother. IMO.peace and love……………………gene

MIke……….Here is something to think about………> The disciples said to Jesus. “Tell us how our end will be ” Jesus said ” have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look back for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning, he will know end and will not…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,02:52)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2010,10:30)WJ………..You are right Calvinist are indeed Trinitarians and Preexistence both they are they Daughters of the Catholic Church. Peace and love……………………….geneGBSo are you saying that t8, kathi, Mike, JA, WJ, KJ, SF, Irene, are all…[Read more]