T8………Yes it does , but you are not accepting the understanding Martian is sharing with us. Please reconsider you position on Jesus' preexistence , and we are not saying Jesus did not (Preexist) in the Plan, will and purpose of God, remember that. But at the time Jesus came into existence , that is the what we are talking about here.…[Read more]

Marian……> sorry i did not mean T8 and Martian , I meant T8 and Mike. sorry brother.peace and love ………………..gene

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 15 2010,19:17)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,15:33)T8 and Martian………..It is also written the GOD created everything by (himself) and (alone). But you both chose to ignore it right?Actually Gene, who is ignoring it?If God made all things, then it was him and no one else that made all things. If God made all things…[Read more]

barely………….Amen to that brother, martian has taken so much criticism from people here and insults that it is a wonder he even continues to post. He definitely has shown humility and sound teachings here. My hope is he does not get discouraged Here it would be a great loss. IMOpeace and lvoe to you and yours brother………………………gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2010,14:38)Again, Peter looks forward to receiving a crown of glory.  He doesn't, however, mention returning to glory he already had in the presence of God before the world, does he?  Only one man says that.  And although you have no clue whatsoever if the crowns already exist or if God will “poof” them into being th…[Read more]

JA………..Well Put. I also see it that way>Thankspeace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

JA………..Well Put. I also see it that way>Thankspeace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

Mike……….Isa 45:5…. I am the LORD and there is (NONE) else, there is (NO) God besides (ME).Isa 43:10….> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant, whim I have chosen: that you may know and Believe me, and understand the (I) am he: before me there was (NO) GOD formed< Neither shall the Be (AFTER ME). Many more show there is only…[Read more]

Mike……….Isa 45:5…. I am the LORD and there is (NONE) else, there is (NO) God besides (ME).Isa 43:10….> Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant, whim I have chosen: that you may know and Believe me, and understand the (I) am he: before me there was (NO) GOD formed< Neither shall the Be (AFTER ME). Many more show there is only…[Read more]

Terriaricca…….All “FREE” Wills are the one trying to Make GOD fit (their) “Free Will” thinking and seem to always be the accusers of the brethren. Sneaking around looking for every opportunity they can find. Does that ring a bell? It should. IMOgene

T8 and Martian………..It is also written the GOD created everything by (himself) and (alone). But you both chose to ignore it right? , then you try to say you are producing scripture to support your Preexistence of Jesus as a being Before his berth, But Peter does not say that when He spoke about Him being foreordained or planed (BUT) was…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,03:23)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,11:12)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,02:37)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,10:33)WJ……….Are you word with you and are the of you, that answer is obviously yes unless you are quoting someone else's words as Jesus was doing. He plainly said the words he…[Read more]

Georg………So show (ONE) clear scripture that say this “JESUS EXISTED AS A BEING LONG BEFORE HIS BERTH” and i will admit you are right, not some ambiguous scripture that can be taken different ways , but a clear specific scripture that say what you are saying. I have never found any that say that Georg. Don't you think i strange (NO)…[Read more]

martian………..I believe the word (became) implies (came to be) Jesus the last Adam came to a point to poses a life giving Spirit and that was at his resurrection. Just like where it says and the word became flesh, we know a word can not be flesh but it implies it came to be (IN) a flesh person Jesus. That is the way i now see it brother.peace…[Read more]

Mike ……..I do not believe you are (Intentionally) dishonest brother, nor am I. JA think i am deluded, well i think he is deluded on some things to. But being deluded does not mean we are dishonest even though it can appear that way. I believe most here are Honest on what they believe to be true, rather it really is true or Not. Much confusion…[Read more]

Mike ……..I do not believe you are (Intentionally) dishonest brother, nor am I. JA think i am deluded, well i think he is deluded on some things to. But being deluded does not mean we are dishonest even though it can appear that way. I believe most here are Honest on what they believe to be true, rather it really is true or Not. Much confusion…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,02:37)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,10:33)WJ……….Are you word with you and are the of you, that answer is obviously yes unless you are quoting someone else's words as Jesus was doing. He plainly said the words he was speaking was (NOT) His words. peace and love……………………..geneGeneTo…[Read more]

WJ……….Are you word with you and are the of you, that answer is obviously yes unless you are quoting someone else's words as Jesus was doing. He plainly said the words he was speaking was (NOT) His words. peace and love……………………..gene

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 14 2010,23:46)A Spirit (read: “God” here) and only God can CREATE another Spirit because ALL Spirit is IN and FROM him. It is the 'intelligence' in Creation.JA………..Howl la lou ya brother………..Findley someone who understands what Spirit really IS> Intellect, and is in everything that has life in it. It is what…[Read more]

JA…….I would not say scripture says it is setting aside for rule of kingship, many were used as Prophets of GOD and not kings. The spirit or the seed of GOD expands a persons (INTELLECT) to more comprehend the things of GOD. We are said to have been given the (earnest) of GOD, the Spirit of Truth , the ability to recolonize the truth. It is…[Read more]