Mike………Again look up the word Through, it can just as easily be rendered FOR as Through. Mike brother what you are not considering is that those scriptures were translated by people who were already indoctrinated into the concept of Jesus being a GOD and preexisting before His berth here on earth, they were of the Greek and Gnostic…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2010,13:11)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 20 2010,02:24)Mike………Out of 536 times the word EV or En is used in scripture not ONCE does KJC say it is used for (BY).  If you want the breakdown i can give it to you brother. So a word that is not in the original text is planted there and we are to believe it?Hi Gene,Not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 19 2010,15:43)Martain,In Romans 3:13 we are told that those that either have not entered or do live according to the covenant of the spirit of righteousness are spoken of in scripture with the words:Romans 3:13(NIV) reads:Quote Their throats are open graves;      their tongues practice deceit.”These words are true as they ar…[Read more]

Martian……….Do not get discouraged by some novices and the ignorant who would has no idea what they is yapping about brother. You, barley, and Kerwin, Adam, 942767, and myself , are presenting the case against preexistence accurately , If is up to God to let them understand it anyway, not us , But if they do not love the truth then GOD sends…[Read more]

Mike………..God was PRESENT through the (CHRISTOS) or anointing on Jesus. Jesus spoke words being revealed to Him the same as the prophets did.That scripture is even less supportive of the doctrine of preexistence then you earlier ones were. Don't you believe that GOD was (IN) Him as he plainly said He was. So sure GOD'S Presents was there “HE…[Read more]

diritycnnections………….Hi brother glad to see you back, where have you been missed your fire brother.peace and love to you and your………………………gene:)

Mike………Out of 536 times the word EV or En is used in scripture not ONCE does KJC say it is used for (BY). If you want the breakdown i can give it to you brother. So a word that is not in the original text is planted there and we are to believe it? Mike Brother , Jesus did not exist as a Being before His berth on earth (except ) in the plan…[Read more]

Mike………..Still waiting brother for your response. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

Kerwin……….I agree with martian right on brother. John is the most distorted scripture in the bible. Col 1:16, is another the word (By) is written In in about 20 places there and only Once written (BY). So they assume it means Jesus created everything or God Didi it (by) Jesus. Pure assumption on there parts. True understanding of scriptures…[Read more]

DBF……….My bible says FEAR not (timidity) as you say, You CANT JUST REPLACE WORDS TO FIT YOU IDEOLOGIES.peace and love……………………..gene

To All……I mean if we can even agree on what a WORD REALLY IS, man we are screwed up!> Again A WORD is Simply an (INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE) By someone. THIS IS BASIC IT SHOULD BE A NO BRAINIER. A word proceeds from a mind it begins as a thought and then uttered and it is who the person really is “SO A MAN THINKS SO HE IS”. GOD and (His) words are…[Read more]

Mike……….One problem you haven't started from the start of the text , but jumped in mid way and yes by doing that it does appear as if He is talking about Jesus, But you see that is the old trick to force text to meet a persons perceptions. Mike why don't we start with…>Col 1:12…. GIVING THANKS UNTO (THE father), WHICH HATH (MADE US)…[Read more]

Wj………Words are an (EXPRESSION) OF A PERSONS INTELLECT THAT HE UTTERS, RATHER HIS OR SOMEONE ELSE'S THEY STILL ARE EXPRESSION OF INTELLECTS THAT ARE (UTTERED). If they come from your mind or your precepts then that is you, if they are (quoted) then that is the mind or precepts of that mind that is being quoted. Jesus (QUOTED) to us GOD the…[Read more]

JK…………look up the word “BECAME FLESH”. you will find a word (can not (BECOME) flesh). In fact common sense will tell you that> God's (word) CAME TO BE (IN) FLESH, THE FLESH MAN JESUS, JUST AS IT WAS IN THE PROPHETS OF OLD. “FOR GO SPOKE TO US IN TIMES PAST THROPUGH THE PROPHETS HAS IN THESE LATTER DAYS SPOKEN TO US THORUGH A SON. Now what…[Read more]

Jerry…………I see it that way to brother.peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

JK………..”Dude”……If you understood the “WORD” was GOD and GOD was (IN) Jesus instead of (BEING) Jesus it would be clear for you, “GOD (IN) ALL and (THROUGH) ALL”, GET IT “DUDE”. THE WORD WAS GOD THE FATHER THAT WAS (IN) JESUS. “THE FATHER WHO IS (IN) ME (HE) DOTH THE WORKS”. Now where doest it say that the father that was (IN) Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 18 2010,10:28)Reply –Ephesians 3:19
and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.Ephesians 4:13
until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness o…[Read more]

KJ………..Do you also think John was so stupid that he forgot how to spell Jesus' name and could only come up with the Word “WORD” there also. Haven't you ever thought if John meant to mean Jesus he would have just wrote Jesus? My how Trinitariand and Preexistences can just force the written text to mean what in fact in not written and so…[Read more]

WJ………..So you fill free to just change the words written in John 1:1 from the Word “WORD” to Jesus right even though the Apostle John Wrote “WORD” There. But you claim to not have changed the “WORDS” to fit your Trinitarian and Preexistence views, isn't that somewhat of a Joke?

Martian………….notice how what you quoted from Tyndale goes along with what Jesus said about the Word, “the words i am telling you ARE Spirit and Life, and he said those words were not his words. All things were indeed made by (IT) The Word of GOD. Not Jesus the Man, but the Words GOD Spoke is what created everything because the power of…[Read more]