T8……….So you believe this preexistent being completely wiped out all his past memory and had to learn all over again As a human being , But you say out of the other side of your mouth He remembered the Glory he had with the Father in his Past existence. Now what purpose does that serve in GOD'S Plan , Why not Just take an ordinary man and…[Read more]

To All……….All that talk about Faith and not one definition from Scripture .Heb 11:1….> Now Faith (IS) the Substance of things hoped for, the (EVIDENCE) of things not seen.Has anyone here seen GOD? NO, So how can you Have that (EVIDENCE) would be the question, It has to be by God answering your prayers and showing you his existence in your…[Read more]

To all……….Psa 119:130…..> The entrance of thy words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple.peace and love o you all…………………….gene

Terricca……….Fact is you have missed it all. IMOI do not believe Jesus existed as a (BEING) before his berth, NOT THAT HE DIN NOT EXIST IN THE PLAN AND WILL OF GOD.I definitely believe all things are in accordance to the predetermined will of GOD, “FOR GO WORKS (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF (HIS OWN) WILL”.I absolutely do not believe in…[Read more]

Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the Kingdom of GOD, YOURSELF, does that reflect to you that the Child is a sinner.…[Read more]

T8……..Nothing had its beginning in the flesh not me or you or Jesus, our beginning was with GOD, the same as Jesus' was, But the “taxi” that brought us into (BEING) as a SOUL was our berth here on earth the same as Jesus, was. You can not produce One scripture that shows anyone maned Jesus before his Berth on earth, nor can you produce any…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,06:53)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,04:04)Georg………So show (ONE) clear scripture that say this “JESUS EXISTED AS A BEING LONG BEFORE HIS BERTH” and i will admit you are right, not some  ambiguous scripture that can be taken different ways , but a clear specific scripture that say what you are saying.  I h…[Read more]

Shimmer……….JA is right GOD is a Title, but there is ONLY ONE (TRUE) GOD To Us as Jesus Said. “FOR THOU ART THE ONLY (TRUE) GOD”, So Those referred to as gods were being used by the (TRUE) GOD to bring about his purpose, as Moses and the others who were instilled in a capacity to serve god and by extension were considers gods because it was…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 22 2010,05:08)Hi Gene,Thanks, except that I should have said 'Adam brought death', which is then balanced by 'Jesus brought life'.Momentary lapse…JA……….A interesting thing is that it say sin enter in through Adam , But Jesus when describing the Adversary said He was a lier and murder from the beginning and Abode not…[Read more]

Mike……….You have lost every debate and have not yet produce any sound solid scripture that back up Your points. Mike it would help if you would at least acknowledge when we present facts to back up our points, as when i presented you with the Word (en) being translated as only BY once out of many, many times translated as IN in The 1 Col…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 22 2010,12:53)For to which of the messengers said He ever, 'My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, 'I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?'  just my confused understanding that is all, Shimmer…………..Notice it say (I) Will be to him a Father and He (SHALL) be to me a SON.…[Read more]

Mike………..”Alongside”, “Together with”, “in your presents”, is found no where denoting Jesus particaptaing in creation at all in the entire bible and so forth, is in complete contradiction of what GOD Himself Said. He said He did it (ALONE) and BY HIMSELF, now interestingly you are denying that, Perhaps you don not know what (ALONE and BY…[Read more]

martian…………Mike i think is truly struggling with his position on Preexistence and is considering all we are posting and hope fully is praying for GOD to guide His mind into the truth. I think he is a decent person brother he just has been indoctrinated as T8 and Irene have and that is hard to overcome. peace and love to you and your…[Read more]

Chosenone……….Terricca fulfill a role here as the accuser of the brethren , so in a sense he exercises our ability to endure and stay stead fast to the word of GOD.peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………………gene

Irene………Take the chalange and Show us where Jesus ever said He created anything much less the whole world. As far as Scripture being corrupted any true Scholar will tell you it has in many places. If what you and the rest of the Preexistences and Trinitarians are saying is true then Back it up with the OLD TESTAMENT and I will consider it >…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 21 2010,11:47)Quote (martian @ Aug. 18 2010,03:58)Gene,There is a possibility I may have to go into the hospital again for a few weeks. I may not be on here for a while. You nad barley might be on your own for a while. I will see if my lap top is working or I can get a signal in the hospital room. Don't know for…[Read more]

Kerwin……….From what i have read so far i would agree with Philo a word is just a word it is not a person it is the expression of a persons thoughts , a word in and of it self in not divine at all. It is intellect when uttered it is being transfered from one to another, It has effect in the reasonings of a person and can influence that…[Read more]

To All………..Spirit simply put is (INTELLECT) or (THOUGHT), thoughts are (EXPRESSED BY WORDS) GOD and His words are one and the same thing , Just as our word and we are there same thing. Difference is (POWER) behind those Words or expressed thoughts. Notice In revelations Rev 4:5……> And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and voices and…[Read more]

martian……….If they would get the Book Misquoting Jesus they would see where Scholars have brought out many, many, many. Mistranslated scriptures from the original texts that have been found. What i have found is that if it does not align with the Old Testament it generally is a mistranslation by some predisposed translator forcing the text…[Read more]

Irene……… Sis, Do you see what your indoctrination has done it wont even let you consider what i was talking about in 1 Col 1……> so you try to divert the truth by changing subject matters, Please stay with this (ONE) thing for Now and then we can move one to the others. Peace and love to you and Georg……………………………gene