Mike ………….I have answered that as well as they have Phil 2 is not talking about Jesus' Preexistence before his (earth) existence , But He existed (while on earth with the nature of GOD) and He did not use it to try to rob GOD to be made equal with GOD. Paul was referencing to his (earthly) existence , that was a past time at the time…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2010,03:17)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2010,14:34)Mike……….You have  lost every debate and have not yet produce any sound solid scripture that back up Your points.Again Gene,Those are just your words…….why would they have any bearing on what we're discussing?  Would it make me automatically “right” if I b…[Read more]

Terricca………..The way heaven net thinks is unimportant to me, The Truth is what Matter > As far as being Here i have been here many many many more Years then you Have by far. You would be better of trying to Use Sound scripture to back up ypu dogmas instead of going around being an accuser of the brethren. IMOpeace and…[Read more]

Mike………..1 Cor 8:6….> Yet for us there is but ONE GOD the FATHER, From whom (ALL) THINGS (CAME) and For whom we LIVE; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, (FOR) whom (ALL) things Came and (FOR) Whom we live.Mike for Whom is the right word not through whom. No lets ask what this means , It simply means God Made (EVERYTHING) for the…[Read more]

Mike………..I follow you, on this i have no disagreement with the possibility of 14, i believe it is Still talking about GOD the Father , because we are forgiven by God of our Sins, not forgiven by Jesus. Because i believe Jesus was GOD the FATHERS SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, But no biggie i am following you so Far. Continue Mikepeace and…[Read more]

SF………..I do not have a “FREE” Will I have a (INFLUENCED WILL) Nor do you. Questions who and what is (INFLUENCING) YOUR WILL.peace and love……………………………….gene

DBF………..Then produce a single Scripture that say (ALL) are (BORN) Sinners. That will suffice i assure your. While scripture say all have sinned where does it say all are (BORN sinners. Forcing the text to meet preconceived dogmas is not wise. If you want to i will show you scripture where a Father and Mother is not responsible for the sins…[Read more]

Irene………..I have no problem calling Jesus MY Brother the Lord and KING. I don't need to say He is a King because He preexisted as some kind of a demigod or super Angel who was morphed into a human being. And because i don't agree with you or others doesn't mean the spirit of God is dormant in me, in fact it may be just the opposite, what's…[Read more]

EdJ…………Are you now a SON OF GOD?. What does that mean to you? When Jesus said (OUR) Father which art in Heaven, what does the (OUR) Mean to you. When Jesus said He is going to His GOD and (OUR) GOD His Father (AND) OUR FATHER, what does the (OUR) mean to you. If you are a preexistences the (OUR) is a Lie Because you really will not believe…[Read more]

EDj………These people can't even realize that if JOHN meant to say Jesus in John 1 He would have simply written Jesus' name there. That is all they can do is force the text to meet their own dogmas. Back to what a word is I maintain a Word (IS) Simply and (INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE) and is the exact representation of the PERSON WHO SPOKE THEM.…[Read more]

T8……..You argument is with scripture not me.Eph 4:13…..> Till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of GOD, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.That pretty well sums it up. And T8 you do more then separated Jesus as a different Person, you separate him as a different…[Read more]

Chosenone………There are two types of mind set here, one believe GOD is in (COMPLETE) control of all things and their Will's must be put to death and conform to GOD'S WILL, by the operation of GOD'S Holy Spirit and those who think (THEY) BY their (so-called) “FREE” WILLS, who (choses) on their Own to follow God, God fordid GOD should have…[Read more]

ED j………..That i do not know, in what (WAY) GOD Foreknew US, Was i it by the fact he created man to become son of His in the first place , or was it the he knew each one of Us individually, don't Know, but and (assumption) CAN BE MADE FOR BOTH CASES. For example lets say i wanted to start a fish farm so i planned it our did all the work in…[Read more]

Shimmer…………You do well to align everything in the New Testament with what is written in the Old Testament as the Bereans did. And you are right in thinking there is “ONLY ONE (TRUE) GOD”. Keeping this in mind will always keep you on track. Like it says even “though there are many (SO-CALLED) Gods , but unto us there is (ONLY ONE…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 23 2010,14:48)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,09:21)Terricca…………So what if your parents conceived you in Sin (LUST FOR SEX) that still does not Mean YOU were (Born) a SINNER. A Child is not a Sinner He or She is totally innocent of Sin. And except you become as a little Child you in no ways will enter the…[Read more]

EDj………….Looking for straws won't cut it brother, WE are (NOT) talking about a WILL THAT IS “free” to be exercised, in this life, We are talking about is the “WILL” It self a “FREE WILL” that is to say a Will that is “FREE” of ANY (INFLUENCE) of any kind. NO WILL EXIST like that . What that scripture is saying is any one who of His own…[Read more]

T8………We to can come to the (FULL) Measure of Jesus also as scripture says. That is the purpose pf GOD , to bring us (ALL) tho that (FULL) Measure that is in Christ Jesus. This is our Hope in GOD. But you separate Jesus from our (exact) idenity by you false teaching of Preexistence. IMO peace and love………………………….gene

ED J……………..I have also thought about that, there seem to be some scriptures that tend to infer that like the ones you have mentioned and also where Jesus said to GOD that “THEY WERE YOURS AND YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM TO ME”> Also Cyrus seem to have been a preordained being and as you say Jeremiah , But while we can say there is a Foreordained…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 23 2010,21:48)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,12:05)You say Jesus was morphed into an Human being without any memory, then you say he remembered the glory he had in the past with the Father when he preexisted as some other kind of Being.I don't say that, scripture does. He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, existed…[Read more]

T8……….Laugh , but trust me i am not screaming or crying out , just laugh at you ignorance of scriptures. And how you preexistences contradict yourselves continually, You say Jesus was morphed into an Human being without any memory, then you say he remembered the glory he had in the past with the Father when he preexisted as some other kind…[Read more]