DBF………..The reason we don't except what Mike is saying, is because he is forcing the text and go against what is written in the Old Testament. that is the reason we do not accept them. He has not proved anything so far concerning the Preexistence of Jesus as a living Being. Not to mention it would not make any sense for God to send a…[Read more]

Marty………..Right on brother. Jesus was sent into the world (AFTER) his anointing not before it.peace and love to you and yous…………………………gene

Edj………..Here is on for you to Chew on…….>Phil 2:13 FOR it is (God) Which works in you (BOTH) to (WILL) and to Do of HIS good pleasure. So who is the one Working is it your so-called “FREE” WILL or GOD'S WILL that is doing the WORK.I have come to a conclusion you people don't even understand simple clear scriptures much less complicated…[Read more]

Terricca……..So workinh out your salvation with fear and trembling has nothing to do with it right.?

Mike……….In fact even their words they spoke were not theirs. I forgot to mention that. peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………..gene

EDJ…….the number Three it the best and most accurate definitions . a “free” will IS A WILL THAT IS (FREE) of (ANY) INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER. Now knowing that can you say your Will is FREE of any (INFLUENCES) Can you say that you make Choices that are not (DETERMINED) by (PRIOR) CAUSES or Divine (Intervention) > So you can we call you blank man…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2010,04:07)Hi Gene,Still waiting for YOUR words brother.   Besides, martian's didn't even answer the question.  Hi Gene,You are a part of creation, right?  Did God ALONE cause you to exist?Does that mean He couldn't have used your parents to create you THROUGH?ps, Martian, Gene is a big boy….please refrain from an…[Read more]

To All………All thinking is spoken in words, Word are intellects expressed and are derived from the Spirit (intellect) and can be expressed through wind gong over our vocal cords or Written down, they simply are (expression of our minds) ” So a man thinks so he is”. Why complicate it , it's just that simple. We are what our word are as God…[Read more]

To all………..Why would GOD out of one side of His mouth say fear Him and out of the other say Love Him and One another, and then Say “Perfect love (CASTS OUT) FEAR”. Then say “You have not recieved the SPIRIT of FEAR, but of Love and power and of a sound mind”. The word Fear is mistranslated and should be rendered as (REVERE AND RESPECT) in…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2010,01:22)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 20 2010,04:43)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 20 2010,01:09)DBF……….My bible says FEAR not (timidity) as you say, You CANT JUST REPLACE WORDS TO FIT YOU IDEOLOGIES.peace and love……………………..geneHi Gene,I just cut and pasted: (NASB)2Ti 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of…[Read more]

SF……….Jesus was using the physical example of a spiritual principle, He was talking about the eye of you understanding is it Evil or Good the evil is darkness the Good is light. remember Jesus spoke many thing in a comparative or parabolic language we need to be careful to get what his intended spiritual meanings are. We can not take every…[Read more]

martian……….See it leaves them dumbfounded they simply have not answer, because they have no idea what a spirit (Being) really is. Because a Spirit is not a (BEING) but is what lives (IN) a Being. And all beings outside of GOD himself must have a Body that the Spiirt can live in and animate. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

EDj……… WHAT” , Who said we all preexisted thats is you talking not Me. Remember i do not believe in Preexistence that is your dogmas if you believe that, not mine. While we may all have preexisted in the Plan and Will of GOD the is true , but that is not saying we existed as (BEINGS) before we were born. What does what i have posted have to…[Read more]

Edj………Is not a “FREE” Will and a freewill the same thing. I know we are given liberty to exercise our captivated and influences wills i have always said the. But that does not mean those Wills are “FREE” in and of themselves now does it. Get my point. Not scripture say we poses wills that are FREE WILL (IN) US. That is to say a WILL the IS…[Read more]

ED J……….I was trying to show you the OUR (INCLUDES US) that was my point . So we can call God Our Father and we are His sons too. To try to makes Jesus as and (ONLY) Son is not scriptural while He might be a (UNIQUE) Son is most certainly is not the (ONLY) Son of GOD, He also may be the only one so far resurrected to eternal life from among…[Read more]

Martian………..Amen, Amen , brother i could not have said it more accurately. If only Mike could see this and understand it. The spark of life is from GOD even in it's embryonic state. The Parents of a child did not give him life GOD Did, Himself and Alone. This life was not created by anyone but God. Even the genetic Code had it origins from…[Read more]

Martian, barley, Marty………….right on brothers, Preexistence is nothing but a false teaching deriving its source from the trinitarians and created to backup their Jesus is a GOD dogmas. Thank GOD of you guise at least some see and understand this. Barley i believe verse 16 and 17 are talking about GOD the Father himself also brother.peace…[Read more]

MIke……..As being the beginning , Jesus is the beginning of the Kingdom of GOD in Mankind, He is the first (BORN) of mankind into that Kingdom Just as it says from among the dead. None of this is talking about a preexistence. IMOpeace and love……………………gene

Mike………..Go back up to the Start for whom and through Whom was ALL thing Made, Jesus is the (IMAGE) a reflection , not a GOD or a Creator of anything. Verse 16 is simply saying all thing were created (IN) Him it was GOD Plan from the beginning to create all thing (FOR) this purpose of Jesus and the Saints and all humanity. That was why He…[Read more]

EDJ……….So as I said you at sometime decided and Give GOD Permission first by your OWN SO CALLED “FREE WILLS” right. My how righteous you “FREE” Weller's are> So produce ONE Scripture that Say YOU Save your selves by your (OWN) personal “FREE WILLS” then will talk. You way of salvation is not found anywhere in scriptures.> My bibles say…[Read more]