To All………….Jesus is he First man raised to eternal life and the Last raised to eternal life will be Just like him so in this sense he is the first and the last, Jesus (NEVER EVER) created any thing, only GOD the Father is the Creator (ALONE and BY HIMSELF)>. He gives (HIS) Glory to (NO) Man , Jesus is son of man. He is a son of GOD the…[Read more]

EDJ………….NOt even (ONE) of you deceptive quotes States a Man Has a “FREE WILL” (IN) HIM as i said before your confusing a (INFLUENCED WILL) with a person having a will that os itself (FREE). I also see you have failed to look yo the words us in yours quoted so i will give you some help the word “freewill offering', simply means (A VOLUNTARY…[Read more]

Mike ……….While i am at it here, why didn't any of you answer martian's very good presentation on why would God do it that way and what or how does believing Jesus preexisted benefit anyone in there walk with GOD and Him. Not so much as One answer from any of you , no wounder he gets frustrated with you all,as many who were here have. This…[Read more]

MIke…………False Post, I use scripture that shows (CLEARLY) GOD (ALONE AND BY HIMSELF CREATED EVERYTHING> Which yopu or no one else seems to be able to contradict or prove wrong, You use scripture that contradicts this . Then you proceed to say i did not answer the questions. Then when you are cornered by saying everything was created (BY)…[Read more]

SF………Please show us were we ever said (every Choice) we make has been predetermined, It really is not nice to lie SF. The questionis “FREE WILL, not do we have WILLS.peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2010,11:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2010,16:40)Hey Gene,Did you ever figure out how the last part of 16, which says, “all things were created by him, and for him”, could really mean “for him and for him”?  This is the whole reason I posted this Colossians passage before a couple of others that I really wanted to…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 31 2010,00:21)Mike,You make some good points..stressing over trivialness.Was Jesus at his Father's righthand before he became man and was raised again?The point of 'All things were made by him and for him' is not a mystery…Since the 'Firstborn' inherits the Father's possessions, …and All things done in the Father's name…[Read more]

Quote (shara @ Aug. 30 2010,04:26)Jesus was not God.        * He was born a babe (Luke 2:7).        * He “increased in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).        * He “learned obedience by the things that he suffered” (Heb. 5:8).        * He was “in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin” (Heb. 4:15).        * He “offered up prayers and supplic…[Read more]

Terricca……….We were not talking about Faith in the (WORD) of GOD But FAITH by it Self and what is its meaning> Nothing more. Why can't you understand that. You go flying off in a hundred different direction and not even dealing with the (SPECIFIC) subject we are talking about, Try a little harder to stay on point.And by the way very (FEW)…[Read more]

barely……..Adam and Eve did sin they missed the mark, but i think the Mark of the adversary was put on Cain. But as you said this can get into speculating, and that is not wrong as long as we know it is speculating that is going on. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………gene

Mike………..Yes He came into existence in the flesh. Not that he came from some distant planet or somewhere else. That is what the Gnostic's taught who John was addressing at the time. They were a sect that did not believe Jesus was just a human being and were denying his Human origins. They like preexistences were separating Jesus' likeness…[Read more]

Mike………..Brother your grabbing for straws brother, you can't eve prove what beginning Paul was talking about was it His beginning on Earth, if so that would back up what we none Preexistences are saying. Scripture supports Pauls was talking abut Jesus beginning on earth as a Human being with the Nature of GOD (IN) Him. Now with all these…[Read more]

Mike ……….why would God create a whole Human race and then set out to save them by a Preexisting angel or lesser God. And why pass him of as a human being, if he (TRULY) was not, and why would he go around saying he is son of man over and over and over. John said plainly if we say Jesus came not in the flesh it would mean you were Antichrist…[Read more]

EDJ……………….look up the word to Blaspheme first OK. To blaspheme to to speak out against something in a hostile manner. IMOAnd martian is right people who push the Trinity and Preexistence are guilty of Sinning against the Truth of GOD. IMOpeace and love………………..gene

Mike………….Forgot to mention it on the other post, but notice it says “he (SHALL) be Called (future tense) the Son of GOD”, now if he were already a son of GOD, why would the angel say he (SHALL BE) CALLED THAT. Also mike notice it say nothing about a Being being Morphed into Mary, but what does it say the Holy Spirit will come upon Her and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2010,13:17)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2010,03:23)Mike ……….Here is on for you………..Luke 1:35…> reading from Young's literial translation….> and the messenger answering said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the Power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2010,14:23)ALL    do you believe that the world is manipulated by the Evil one??  LOOK1Ch 21:1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2010,09:30)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 29 2010,08:07)To All………….FAITH (IS) THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR,  IT IS THE (EVIDENCE ) OF THINGS (NOT) SEEN. SIMPLE IS IT NOT, IT IS WHAT MAKES UP OUR HOLE BROUGHT ABLUT BY THING (NOT) SEEN , Has anyone seen God lately (NO) so how can i have (MY) EVIDENCE then? Is…[Read more]

Terricca……….NOT one word in all those posts shows (WHY) Jesus (MUST) Preexist Him Berth on earth. When are you going to start to think about the subjects before you start to speak ?. peace and love…………………..gene

EDJ…………..You have not (PROVED) that we preexisted in any Past life as Beings of any kind, that is all speculations on you part. We could have Just existed like Jesus in the plan and will or foreknowledge of GOD before we were ever brought into existence. God plans out things and them cause them to come about. A plan always preexists its…[Read more]