Mike…………So was i made in the likeness of a Human Being , that has nothing to do with any thing, The word FORM does it is NATURE not a FORM of any being. You can;t even produce any Scripture that show a (FORM) of GOD in a literial sense, if you can produce it. Another thing Paul was not talking about a (PRE earth) existence of Jesus but HIS…[Read more]

Martian……….Exactly right, Giving Jesus this great advantage over us completely separates Him from us His work means nothing in that case , how can I achieve what he did seeing he is nothing like me except he had a body like mine , but he was really a preexisting super being one who was already perfect. So why tell me to overcome like He did…[Read more]

MIke……….Again Origin does not necessarily mean a Preexistence (BEING) as you suppose it does, it can Just as easily mean a Planned event . Jesus was the First MAN from the HUMAN RACE GOD (Planned) to be perfected into a Son of GOD from the foundations of the earth, it was His PLAN from the very beginning, GOD said the (SEED) of the WOMEN…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2010,07:31)Gene:Quote Mike……….I have already answered that question, but i will again in case you did not read it. (NO) God did (NOT) create me “through” any thing, he created me (IN)  my mothers womb, The Life in my cells was a direct act of GOD , they divided and grow by his life force in them.I guess I didn't…[Read more]

Mike………….I noticed you did no commit on scriptures i posted in revelations, that Show Jesus still claims His roots and linage from David, not from some preexisting source as you presume. Why would Jesus still used that as His origins in revelation if that was not the case. Get it?. You have Yet to produce (ONE) Scripture that says Jesus…[Read more]

Mike……What you are not seeing is that this teaching does not just stop where you think it does but goes beyond that , it is used to give Jesus a standing along side God himself, as a completely different human being then we are it breaks our (exact) identity with Jesus as a fellow human being. You say God created Eve (through) Adam is false…[Read more]

MIke……..Yes let move on, and i have also questioned you moving all this into different threads when it is all about our discussion on PREEXISTENCE of Jesus. peace and love…………………………gene

MIke ………So what is exactly the “FORM” of GOD, please describe that to us if you can. Also please Look up the word (FORM) My Greek linear as i recall has (NATURE) which seems to fit the text better. Another question that needs to be answered is (Existing) was Paul talking about a Prior earthly existence or and earthly existence, both can…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,14:34)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 04 2010,03:25)You preexistences believe GOD did it (THROUGH) Jesus but not one scripture show Jesus Creating anything , but many say GOD did , that alone should cause you some concern, so you come up with this (CO-CREATION) ideas , pure hogwash.Gene, Scripture says God created…[Read more]

Martian………Amen brother.peace and love to you and Brother………………………….gene

Mike, Irene, David, the rest…….What you don't realize is those things you are mentioning about people forming false teaching had started way back two thousand years ago , and you are now completely immersed into those false teachings. The Apostate Churches are those who perverted the words of GOD way back that is not something that is just now…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,14:28)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 04 2010,03:36)the Preexistences change it somewhat to say God did it (through) Jesus but they still are robbing God of His Glory which he said He gives to (NO) Man and the includes Jesus THE SON OD MAN ,Hi Gene,We don't CHANGE it to say that……it just says that.  I would NEVER…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 05 2010,07:37)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2010,06:58)Georg……So you say you only know ONE who is anointed right? So why did Jesus tell his disciples to not leave Jerusalem until the recieve (power) from on high and please tell us what is the comforter Jesus said He would send is. What do you think Jesus meant with I in…[Read more]

Georg………..You are not able to pin any hope on what martian has posted because you simply don't believe Jesus was exactly like you in fact you have removed Jesus from you Identity so how can you recieve any hope from him. That is our strong point in the preexistence argument here. Jesus said whosoever overcomes (EVEN A I HAVE) , but you…[Read more]

Georg……So you say you only know ONE who is anointed right? So why did Jesus tell his disciples to not leave Jerusalem until the recieve (power) from on high and please tell us what is the comforter Jesus said He would send is. What do you think Jesus meant with I in YOU and YOU IN ME them, how is that possible if not by that same spirit…[Read more]

Georg………Did you read your last text vers 6……….read it again , it says if a man abide not (IN) me. so when you separated you identity with Jesus, are you not removing yourself from him. Yes your are. The vine and the branches all recieve there life from that which flows through it. Jesus is the planting of God we are also grafted into…[Read more]

Irene………So are you saying they do not teach that Jesus is GOD the creator of all thing, that he and the Father are one and the same they call the trinity . Now if Jesus is GOD the He had to preexist his berth on earth right, God certainly did preexist right. Preexistence and Trinitarians are both in the same boat they both portray Jesus as…[Read more]

SF………..Try Isaiah 44:6……….> Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the FIRST and I am the LAST and Beside ME there is (NO) GOD. Now here GOD said (HE) is the First and the Last right? Lets look at Rev 1:5 Now………> And From Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST (BEGOTTEN…[Read more]

JA………..I Jesus existed in the (FORM) of GOD , can you describe that FORM to Us seeing no one have ever seen GOD. I do understand the nature of GOD, Is the Nature produced by his Spirit in us and Jesus. But FORM ? And another thing when did Jesus (EXIST) in This so called (FORM)> Paul was talking about Jesus' existence when he was on earth ,…[Read more]

JA…………..It is not futile if it supports the Work of God by destroying the ANTICHRIST DOCTRINES OF TRINITARIANS AND PREEXISTENCES. Both Doctrine are connected and push the separation of Our (EXACT) Identity with Jesus, one is just as evil as the other. Only one (preexistence) is more subtle then the other but both are wrong. IMOpeace and…[Read more]