MIke………..No where does it say Jesus who already was a Human being was made into a human being, that is you forcing of the text to support you dogmas. John Said whosoever Says Jesus came not in the FLESH is a Antichrist and this is the SPIRIT (INTELLECT) of the Antichrist. What Spirit is that?, a Spirit (intellect) the separates us from our…[Read more]

Mike………….I would hate to think that i base my whole belief in Jesus Preexistence on Just on scriptures you can take out opf context, while all the time ignoring the hundreds of other that show different. But that what being narrow minded and indoctrinated can do. And if God has sent a deluding Spirit (intellect) to you to believe the “LIE”…[Read more]

EDJ……….WE are speaking of His Humanity (NOT) His position , you seem not to understand that. There are many Lords but unto us their is only one Lord Jesus Christ. What does that have to do with him being Human or Not?. The reason we did not respond to it is because it is not a relevant question.peace and love………………………………gene

Marty……….Yes i see what you are saying , however understand non of that precludes GOD First moving on and in a person life in order for these things to happen in there lives. Non of those in the old testament or new chose GOD except those who had his spirit on them. Remember what Jesus said “NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW…[Read more]

Marty…………There is no freedom of Choice , your choice had nothing to do with “FREEDOM” , there is Choice and the very word choice imply s options, but those options are preexisting options in our minds or present influencing options. All men want to think they are “FREE” Willer's. but in fact they are not at all “FREE” that is exactly what…[Read more]

martian……….Brother keep me informed on what you are doing and i do wish to continue our relationship brother, I believe you have given truth here and we all need to remember no one ever said it was going to be easy , but when debate becomes futile, i do see you point. Have considered these things myself. Putting up with all these insults…[Read more]

SF………There exist no such thing as a will that is “FREEWILL” that is a OXYMORON. People like T8, EDJ, and others get confused with . They think that because GOD allows us to exercise our (captivated wills) or heavily (influenced wills) that equates to us (HAVING) A WILL THAT IS “FREE: (IN) US. Nothing could be further from the truth.…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 30 2010,02:00)[IMO anyone who reads a scripture and does NOT apply it to the human born from Mary given the name Jesus, but applies it to be speaking of a spirit son is creating ANTI Messiah doctrine. Phil 2:7  but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Jesus the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,17:46)They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?EDJ………………Notice what it says, “IS THIS…[Read more]

Mike………..God did not say the seed of a morphed preexisting being in the women would bruise the head of the serpent did he?, but he simply said (HER) SEED “the seed of the women”, would bruise its head. God was not dealing with angels but with mankind and used a seed of MAN to deal with man not some morphed preexisting Angel or demigod of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 28 2010,14:06)[Hebrews 2:9 NIV9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.Now I could take that as “was in heaven as a spirit being, but was sent as a human for a while”.You could…[Read more]

Mike…………You Give him advantages He did not have, You make him different then Us you destory his (exact) example to us of a fellow human being who is in (EVERY WAY EXACTLY LIKE WE ARE). You alter the very Plan and Purpose of GOD'S WORK in mankind , you do not truly think you can obtain to the true Full MEASURE and STATURE of CHRIST. If you…[Read more]

Mike………what do you men which Trinitarians teaching you “should follow” Mike you (ARE) following them, but you just can't see it. They separate Jesus from our likeness so do you, what the difference your are both Separatist. You trying to use scripture where Jesus said to Peter and the rest who he was is just another ploy to separate Jesus…[Read more]

Mike……….You so-called “clear cut scriptures” are text you force the context to meet your personal dogmas of preexistences , I have ask you for a “clear cut scripture” before that says “JESUS PREEXISTED HIS EARTH EXISTENCE AS A BEING OF SOME KIND”. You don't even have to tell us what (KIND) of being he was, Just a “clear cut scripture that…[Read more]

martian…………Amen brother. Trinitarians AND PREEXISTENCES (ARE) ONE AND THE SAME, the both are (SEPARATIST) pushing Jesus away from our identity with him. Their dogmas contain the Spirit (intellect) of the Antichrists. peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

To All………..God must condescend to us and (change us), we can not of ourselves become loving person by no choice what so ever. WHY, Because the carnal mind is an enemy of GOD NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF GOD NEITHER INDEED CAN BE. We must be (CREATED) by GOD into loving being. “FOR I WILL TAKE OUT OF YOU THE STONY HEART AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF…[Read more]

barely……………….Amen Brother. Mike reminds me of a person who strains out a gnat and swallows a Camel. These preexistences do every bit as much damage to the Kingdom of GOD as Trinitarians, they are SEPARATIST WHO SEPARATE OUR IDENTITY WITH JESUS AS A HUMAN BEING AND THEREBY DENY THE WORK OF GOD IN MANKIND, by denying His work in Christ…[Read more]

Mike…………So to you Jesus being a son of God makes him different then us right? Another false teaching of yours. Her is some scriptures you can deny or misrepresent too. Rom 8:14……….> For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they (ARE) the Sons of GOD.Rom 8:19………..> For the earnest expectations of the creature waits for the…[Read more]

Mike………….So in you teachings Jesus was not a human being then right , but was MORPHED (INTO) a HUMAN Right?. If so please show us this process of MORPHING and What Purpose it would Serve in the Plan and Will of GOD with Humanity. As Martian said Jesus is described as a SON OF MAN 95 times, but you seem to deny that. If he is SON of MAN…[Read more]

martian………..Amen Brother. They preach a different Christ, one who is not like us and who is of different origins then us. They are beyond a doubt Antichrists and preach the doctrines of Antichrist. Their teachings separates our Identity with Christ Jesus the MAN who is OUR BROTHER. Not only that but they destory the works of GOD in Human…[Read more]