Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 11 2010,06:16)Hi Gene,Are you just saying that our lives and the decisions we make are influenced by outside sources?  If so, then I agree with you.  Every decision any human has ever made has been influenced by outside sources.  For example, if it is hot out, that heat influences our choice to go inside where it is co…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 10 2010,17:57)C23. And since the Apostle in one place does not pretend that it rests with God whether a man becomes a |163 vessel unto honour or unto dishonour, but puts the whole responsibility upon us, saying, “If then a man purge himself, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified and meet for the master's use,…[Read more]

Mike……….Don't want to go into all the wrong perception you have about GOD or “FREE WILLS” but Adam and Eve were (INFLUENCED) BY THE SERPENT to do what they did it says. That alone should answer your so called FREE WILL teachings. Because God allows us liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED) or captivated Wills, does not mean we Has a Will…[Read more]

To All…………All wills are the product of (INFLUENCES) taking place within us, even GOD'S Will Works that way. “fOR GOD ALL THINGS AFTER THE (counsel) OF HIS WILL. Does any one here understand this? Will are (CAUSED BY INFLUENCES EVEN GOD'S WILL IS. Nothing “FREE” About it. Cause is what operates our will and the result is the effects.…[Read more]

Kerwin……..The combination of the word FREE and WILL is an OXYMORON brother no such thing can exist. It is unfortunate the Old testament translators used that instead of Voluntary offing. I do agree with you about a voluntary action as comming (FROM) a WILL in us though.Peace and love to you and yours brother……………………………….gene

Kerwin……….A voluntary action is an action of The WILL from the SELF. And if a man decides from that Will to do something and is allowed by GOD it is considered as a voluntary or Self Willed decision and has nothing to do with the Issue of do we Have a “Will That is FREE (operating Within Us). We all have will and those Wills volunteer us to…[Read more]

Mike………..again you keep jabbering about the Form or nature of a man , when Paul was showing us that Jesus did nopt think to rob GOD by stealing His Glory was the real issue . Jesus could very easily Have stole GOD'S gory by letting People think He was the one doing the Miracles instead of God Doing them, as when Moses stole Glory from God at…[Read more]

Adam…………Amen to that post brother, that is exactly what people with “FREE WILL” belief do, this ideology is the very down fall of Man, it pits man against GOD by causing him to think he is in charge and “FREE” to do and think what ever He wants to. There is only ONE GOD and ONE WILL that will be done all other WILLS must yield to that ONE…[Read more]

EDJ…………Yes the same as you do. Trying to make us think you are strictly a scripture man is false you add to many scriptures Like the Satan thing for instance that is also Just YOU OPINION , it is Not written as you Present It nor is your number system that also is YOUR OPINION. So why Lie and try to discredit Me when i say IN MY OPINION…[Read more]

Mike………..So in your opinion we were not made in the likeness of a Human beings to right?. Why does it say “It Behooved Him” to be made like unto his (brethren) mean to you. In what way would it Behoove Him, To be made like us if he was a God or demigod or some morphed angel. How does he gain anything by that?It behooved Jesus because He was…[Read more]

EDJ…………And there you go again not dealing with the truth posted to you nor answering the questions presented to you , Do you think by you saying , “trying to make scriptures conform to your preconceived ideas of truth”, answers any thing, because that is exactly what you do and trying to force yourself to a superior position as if you…[Read more]

Mike…………Jesus did not strip himself of the Spirit of GOD or the Nature of GOD that should be obvious to all, He came into existence Just as we did and nothing more and He recieved the Holy Spirit at the Jordan River and there became a Son of GOD. He though being or (existing) with the Nature of GOD took on the nature of a Servant and did…[Read more]

Mike……Another assumption on your part , now You are forcing the text to say Jesus' name existed before his berth on earth. Well that is the way you draw your conclusions and then latter say it is Proof of something it is not proof of as all you preexistences so called proof, which are no proof at all, just forcing the text to meet your false…[Read more]

EDJ………How could he come with ten thousands of Saints ,when there has not been a resurrection yet? That prophesy has not yet been fulfilled . It will be when Jesus returns and we are Caught up in the air with Him and will rule on the earth for a thousand Years with Him. There has been no first resurrection yet Only Jesus has been raised so…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,01:25)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2010,01:00)EDJ……….If you think Jesus will not return as a SON of MAN you are in great error EDJ> IMO peace and love………………..geneHi Gene,At least you admit this thought of yours is only your opinion.God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]

EDJ……….I believe the False Image of Jesus is that He is a GOD or Demigod, are incarnated angle of some kind. He is the one who is now seated in the temple of GOD and being displayed as a GOD, no one else is. Him coming in the Flesh or not has nothing to do with the Man of Sin. He will return as the SON of MAN Just as He said he would. “FOR…[Read more]

EDJ…………..I have know that for many many years now and have written articles on it. The man of sin is (NOT) a REAL PERSON it is the LIE about Jesus which cause people to Worship Him as a GOD or Demigod or incarnate angels of some kind. This LIE Will be destroyed BY Jesus Himself when He returns it will be one of the first things he does, he…[Read more]

JA……….You have it right Jesus was at the time that was written and still is the ONLY ONE the Has Been Begotten from humanity and Born into the Kingdom of GOD from among all of GOD Physical Creation. He still hold that title until the First resurrection and then He will not Hold it any longer, Because as it say He is the (FIRST) Born of MANY…[Read more]

Mike ……..Your mixing up NATURE with FORM, the Nature of GOD is in anyone who has GOD Spirit (IN) them. All Who have (ARE) EXISTING With the NATURE of GOD (IN) them and They are Sons of GOD NOW. I could say the same about Paul or John or Peter or any Saint they all were and are existing with the Nature of GOD. How doe that supposed to separate…[Read more]

To ALL………Go back and read what Mike just wrote, now Can't you see how they do not see Jesus as a Human AT (ALL), so how can they even believe the Human Jesus ever can into being in the Flesh when in fact they do not really even believe He was a Human Being or a SON OF MAN. He to them is the creator of the universe and that is exactly the…[Read more]