Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 14 2010,23:35)Volition (psychology), the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of actionTerricca……..That cognitive process is determined by what is (IN) a Person all ready, and that is what (INFLUENCES) him and causes him or her to will things. So If you understand that…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2010,02:22)Gene,Are you arguing that some people are slaves to sin and so suffer the compulsion to sin as they are bound to their unclean spirit? With alcoholics and other addicts obviously suffering from just such a compulsion to sin; I cannot see anyone disagreeing.Under compulsion or not an addict still chooses to sin.…[Read more]

Mike……………..Look at it again and what does it say………..”but made himself nothing, taking on the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness” this scripture is telling us Jesus humbled himself like a Servant who was in human likeness. Another word Just like a HUMAN SERVANT Jesus took on that role in Life , read the whole…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2010,14:21)I think if God wants to look into it, He knows every choice I'm ever going to make as long as I will exist.  But I haven't made those choices yet from my standpoint, and as they come up, it will be my own free will to choose each and every one of them.There's a big difference between God already knowing the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2010,14:36)Hi Kerwin,God created US.  And God GAVE us the FREEDOM to exercise our wills as we choose to.The way you word it sounds like me asking if God created the thought I just had in my head.  He created me with a brain that is capable of complex thought, but He doesn't “create” my “thoughts”.Does that make s…[Read more]

Shimmer……….I do understand your points and do agree with them Sis, But when i See what some of these false teaching do to People in there Hearts and Minds and false fears they produce in them like the Lake of fire thing and distorting of our Perceptions of GOD and the Man our brother Jesus is does cause me to react some times Harshly i must…[Read more]

EDJ………NO the definition of a Will Is not the same as a “FREE” WILL, no wonder you number system makes no sense. That is like saying the fat man is the same as all men , no all men are not FAT or saying a “FREE” Man is the same as all men that is not true either because all men are (NOT) “FREE” Now are they. When you introduce a descriptor…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 12 2010,23:16)I believe the most damaging doctrine is the 'eternal suffering and torment of hell' because that is what changes the heart. People do good things to avoid going to hell. Or for reward of eternal life, for selfish motive. Scripture says love will grow cold,  People will be lovers of themselves, “For they that…[Read more]

“SF………..It is hardly nothing when it involves the very thinking that caused man to separate from GOD in the first place. I never ever disagree with the fact we all have WILLS now did I?, What i have over and over disagreed with is the fact that those will are not FREE at ALL. and Have proven it over and over. They are (INFLUENCED) WILL…[Read more]

T8………..Martian has taken a lot of abuse here from Many. He has posted some very clear and good posts trying to expose the false teachings of Preexistence and other things. And I have also noticed when your monitors use excessive language and accusations of other they sure do not get tiles for it do they? These monitors only wind up running…[Read more]

Mike………Do you understand what it means to be the (SOVEREIGN LORD). That means there is NO OTHER And that one and ONLY Sovereign CREATED EVERYTHING HIMSELF and ALONE, He SAID. Then you come back and say how do you Know they didn't mean Father/ Son , GOD? Do you have to try to force every straight forward text to fit you dogmas of…[Read more]

To All…………Notice ” The (REDEMPTION) of our “BODIES”, Jesus the Man had to recieve the Redemption of HIS BODY ALSO> Or he would have never lived again. This is called the RESURRECTION, Jesus was raised with a flesh body Just as we will be also. And it say the WHOLE CREATION will be delivered, from the bondage of Corruption and that…[Read more]

Seekingtruth………….If you look up the word used there in the text you find it should read voluntary offering. So let think about that a little, say you were one of those Isrealites and You decided from your self to give a offering to God, not a commanded offering but just a offering because you just decided to give it on your own. And…[Read more]

Mike ………..Kerwin is right that has nothing to do with Paul's Point you simply are forcing the text to meet your dogmas. Ypou looking for straws or better straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel. You still are ignoring all the other scripture that show Jesus did not preexist His berth on earth.peace and love………………………..gene

Volintary Will is NOT a “FREE” WILL at all But a SELF DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING. You are still confusing LIBERTY to exercise our (INFLUENCED) or captivated WILLS AS US HAVING (IN) US A SO-CALLED “FREE” WILL Which is and OXYMORON because there exist no such thing as a will the is “FREE” of INFLUENCE so there exist not such thing of a “FREE WILL” (IN)…[Read more]

EDJ……….If you looked up those words used there you would see they are a (voluntary) and Have nothing to do with the OXYMORON Word “FREE WILL” because no will Exists in a FREE STATE. Why don't you try looking up those Word for a change in the Hebrew text. Then come back and post them correctly as several her have already done in the past.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 11 2010,09:42)Mike Boll 64,I believe Gene is not always clear about his points.  Adam's choice was influenced by his internal will even though God created him upright.  It is possible Adam acted in ignorance but assuming the fruit of the tree of knowledge was unique he should have known better.Kerwin………Exactly, they d…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2010,10:49)Hi Gene,I killed the 'ego' long ago!I now will use my “Free Will” to follow God's will (influence) in my life!                               Christian = God's WillA Christian is one who will use their “Free Will” to follow God's will!Theomatically: Christian and God's will both equal 101(the 26th Prime number).…[Read more]

Terricca…………We Chose what we do by what is already (IN) our Minds and that is the influencing going on in us. And if it were impossible for GOD to Change our thinking then no one could ever be saved. “FOR HE (GOD) (WORKS) (IN US) BOTH TO (WILL) AND DO OF (HIS) GOOD PLEASURE”. What part of that simple scripture do you not understand.…[Read more]

Mike………..What do you think the very word WILL Means , It mean a desire for Jesus said He did not want to die , did he so His will was Not to DIE, that is what was working (IN) Him But His FAITH overcame HIS WILL , In fact that is what overcame his will. And that Will to live was Not a FREE WILL but a highely influenced WILL to LIVE, caused…[Read more]