Mike………..Have your ever looked up that word Form to see what it means , Seeing GOD Has no form or at least no one has seen him so it must be talking about the Nature of GOD. Jesus had recieved that nature into Him at the Jordan river or why even mention it in scripture if that was not the time of him receiving it. God Came and Indwelt Jesus…[Read more]

Mike……………How do you figure barley's view is different then mine , He believes Jesus was a Human Being coming into existence through a the women Mary. You should not try to lie and separate people who believe the same as we do. You say barely does not believe as I show show where that is true. When it comes to Jesus human existence…[Read more]

Mike ……….. It say Phi 2:5 -8……….Let the minds be (IN) you, which was (also) in Christ Jesus: who (being) or (Existing) past tense in the form or nature of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD, But (made) or as translated 88 time as (came) or as (made) 74 times or as (done) 63 times, or as (come) 44 times or as (become)…[Read more]

Kerwin……So the question is did Adam and Eve “freely” Chose to disobey GOD without any Cause bringing it about . Gen 3:4……….> and the serpent said unto the woman, you shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day you eat (take to yourself) thereof, then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be (AS A GOD), knowing good and evil.…[Read more]

Kerwin………..God did not ask them he commanded them to chose life. God did not ask Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good an devil he commanded them not to. But they through their own desires to be a GOD themselves driven by their subtile Natures willed to disobey GOD. To think they through a “FREE” WILL did it is false…[Read more]

Kerwin………….Of Course GOD set before them Life or death, Blessing and cursing, and commanded them (the Isrealites) to chose life , But did they is the question and why did they not chose life but instead cursing, Because they were carnal minded and did not have the Holy Spirit (IN) them guiding their Heart and Minds. Non of them chose…[Read more]

Mike ……….Jesus was (EXACTLY IN EVERY WAY) the same as we are, and we also like Him need to take on the nature of a Servant, being we are also in the Likeness of Man. That was Paul's Point, but you and other preexistences try to change it to something Paul was not even talking about to make you Mystery Religion work, just a trinitarians do…[Read more]

EDJ……….Ther is not such thing as a WILL that Is FREE Working (IN) a Person. You confusiong LIBERTY to excercise Our captivated WILL with us having a “FREE WILL (IN) US. Simple think about it.peace and love,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,gene

Kerwin……..There is (ONLY) ONE WILL that will be done and it is not OURS or Jesus and anyone else's It is GODS WILL. But in all this No where is the words “FREE WILL” said to exist not in OUR WILLS or GODS WILL, it is Just a matter of which ONE is going to Be DONE. The WORD “FREE” Has nothing to do with It, JUST WHO'S WILL> I do not like the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2010,13:03)I think I get what you're saying now Gene.  But if I'm allergic to cherry and chocolate hurts my teeth, and because of those two “influences” I choose apple – does that mean I don't have free will?I think that is what you are saying, and maybe it IS just our understandings of the word “free” that is causing…[Read more]

Irene……….Tell me this if i offered you three Pieces of Pie One was Apple, one was Cherry, one was Chocolate , Which one would you chose, Now ask your self why would I chose that piece, was it Just a “FREE WILL” a random choice or was it a result of Past associations and that produced in you a desire for the one you chose. If you say you had…[Read more]

Terricca………Why argue with me about it i just posted 5 0r 6 scriptures word for word, Your argument is with them not me. And I could say that same about Cyrus,. Tell me did He come from Heaven or NOT, Yes He did because GOD the FATHER Predicted it and brought it about He was GODS Servant sent from Heaven also Right? O and Let not forget…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Oct. 15 2010,10:22)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 15 2010,10:19)Irene……….If Jesus came to (NOT) do HIS WILL then Why do You  think He Did HIS so-called “FREE WILL”  O, and by the way Jesus never used the word “FREE” WILL did he as you people do, That is your doing not His. Saying someone has a WILL is one thing saying it is a F…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 15 2010,07:18)To all,Using the definitions for “will” at dictionary.com I believe that Jesus is speaking of purpose.  I also believe that purpose is driven by a combination of the desires of the soul and spirit influenced by physical and environmental factors such as culture, perceived abilities, obstacles to the choice, etc.…[Read more]

Irene……….If Jesus came to (NOT) do HIS WILL then Why do You think He Did HIS so-called “FREE WILL” O, and by the way Jesus never used the word “FREE” WILL did he as you people do, That is your doing not His. Saying someone has a WILL is one thing saying it is a FREE WILL is quite another. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

Treeicca………..NO, that choice will alway be based on what (INFLUENCES) you the most. God would never expect us to make a right Choice based on our CARNAL NATURES and limited understandings. He must install (IN) Us His way of thinking and reveal thing to us. He does this by His Spirit, this is the MIND that was driving Jesus that Mind of…[Read more]

Irene ………May GOD make me HIS Puppet, yes may his strings (SPIRIT)be connected to every part of my being, so i can truly (IMAGE) Him as Jesus my brother DID. ONLY ONE GOD, ONLY ONE WAY, and that is GODS WAY. That GOD may be (IN) ALL and THROUGH (ALL> Or do you think GOD is ineffective and must rely on OUR So-called “FREE” WILL. If that were…[Read more]

Irene……….What you would do is predictable because it is based on what is already in you. Just as Animals they all act our to the program that is (IN) them so does Mankind, he is the produce of his enviousness and education. Man is governed by the Lusts that work (IN) Him or Her, Just as John said “(ALL) that is (IN) the World , the lust of…[Read more]

Shimmer……….Right on Sis. Faith is a gift, repentance is a gift, Love of GOD is a gift, life is a gift. None of which we earned on our own. GOD so loved us he gave us these things into our hearts and minds by His Holy Spirit. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2010,23:11)Hi SF,I will explain using one simple example and parable.Are biblical doctrines really that hard for you to understand; SF?Being saved from the electric chair and walking out of prison are two different things.2Peter 3:9 9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is…[Read more]