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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 14 years, 8 months ago

    Wakeup………Satan is not the creator of EVIL GOD the Father is. need scripture? Isa 45:7……….I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil : I the LORD “DO” all these things.peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2011,07:11)I John 1:1-3That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—2 the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father a…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    T8……….Some may not be translated wrong but you are not understanding them properly , that is the problem here . You need to compare all New Testament Scriptures with the ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES and if they do not match then they should be reevaluated to meet those original Scriptures. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Terricca…………Tell us why do you have to flop all around from one translation to another to try to prove your points, another thing i noticed NOT ONE ORIGINAL TESTAMENT WORD to BACK UP YOUR mix match translations. Using translation that TRINITARIANS and PREEXISTENCES translate is hardly any proof. Paul told us to compare all said to the…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 14 years, 8 months ago

    Waheup……………Thoughts do manifest themselves in and through the actions of powers like our bodies , these spirit drive us to do what they load into out minds. What does this scripture mean to you, “For god has not given us a “SPIRIT” of FEAR but of Love and POWER and of a SOUND MIND> Is that a beings in us or is (IT) a intellect (IN) our…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Frank4Yahweh ………You have posted the absolute TRUTH regarding Jesus as the firstBORN in Position from among human kind. I see it the exact same way , My hope and Prayer is the T8 would come to see and understand this as well as others Here also.peace and love to you and yours Frank…………………………………………………gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 14 years, 8 months ago

    Wakeup………..You asked a lot of questions which each would take a lot of posts, but i just want to deal with one right now and we can go into the others one at a time . You ask is GOD just a Spirit of Goodness sitting on a Throne in Heave?Here is my take on this…………No God is not sitting on anything becasue GOD is a SPIRIT , and a…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2011,17:30)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 19 2011,10:52)T8 are you not found in the appearance as a Man also. It is  plain Paul is talking about a Past time and that Pastime was when Jesus was on this  earth. Paul was in no way relating to any time period before Jesus came into existence on the earth, that is clear if you u…[Read more]

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    Mike………..The object in question on your misguided reasoning is the word  EVEN AS which means the same as and that implies no difference between the Two, in the fact they both Spread the Gospel , what Gospel is not even in question, but the word (THE) is a DEFINITE Article So it is assumed it is the same Gospel or it would have been worded…[Read more]

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    Mike so you both agree and disagree with the word “EVEN AS” in that scripture, Well i believe LOVE is LOVE and there is no Difference in LOVE, Peter said He is NO “RESPECTER” of Persons.  But you make him a respecter of persons. Acts 10:34….> Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I percieve that God is (NO) respecter of…[Read more]

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    Wakeup……….you are right , but there are some here who believe Jesus was a MORPHED Angel. and will talk to their blue in the face trying to tell us that is the case, and Then there is the Trinitarians who think that Jesus was a past God who came in the Flesh, but as i see it two wrongs don't make a right . I believe God and His word are one…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 14 years, 8 months ago

    Wakeup…………….God Created all Spirits, the Spirit of Wisdom, the Spirit of Truth , the Spirit of an Adversary (Satan) also. You ask was Jesus if Jesus was tempted by a Spirit (intellect) the answer is yes he was, Jesus was overcoming the Adversarial (Satan Spirit) working (IN) him, he in effect overcame his own WILL in the wilderness. this…[Read more]

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    Marty……..> May God continue to be with you also brother, and i wish you and your a very healthy and happy new year brother.peace and love to you and yours Marty…………………………………………………………..gene

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 14 years, 8 months ago

    Wakeup………..Satan is a Hebrew word derived from (Ha Satan), it simple means adversary, it is personified (symbolically) as a Person, when in fact (IT”S) a SPIRIT and Spirit are not beings, Spirits are intellects that are (IN) Beings . Scripture personifies many things like for instance Wisdom this is not a she or he it is an (IT). All of the…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    T8 are you not found in the appearance as a Man also. It is plain Paul is talking about a Past time and that Pastime was when Jesus was on this earth. Paul was in no way relating to any time period before Jesus came into existence on the earth, that is clear if you understand what Paul's Point was, and if Paul was talking about his before Earth…[Read more]

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    Mike………….When God the FATHER is doing the Work (IN) anyone I give them the Same HONOR as the FATHER because it is the FATHER Doing the works (IN) that Person. The way it is written is exactly right we Should Hone the Son (EVEN AS WE DO THE FATHER)> So the answer to you question is YES. I honor Jesus Just as I honor the FATHER> Now answer…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    T8………..If you fear God then you would believe what Jesus Said right?. Where did Jesus ever say he has a “PREEXISTENT” Life, before his earth existences.  and the scriptures you speak of were changes in many way a long time ago forcing the text,  the very words you guy's  hang on to are themselves translated 80 or so different ways,  If you…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum GeneBalthrop 14 years, 8 months ago

    Wakeup……….Yes (IT) would, Satan is not a Being Ha Satan, is a Spirit and it was created by Yahweh our God as one of His creations. Satan is a SPIRIT (INTELLECT) and the word Satan simply means ADVERSARY anyone with and advaserial intellect has a satan spirit working (IN) them. When Jesus told Peer “get behind me Satan” He was correct in what…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 17 2011,09:16)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 15 2011,23:28)T8………..Wrong  MY version is —- Flesh then joined with Divine Nature > Death to self by Davine Nature> then death to body> resurrection of body> Flesh with Divine Nature added back.Gene you are clearly wrong on this.Let's look at scripture.Philippians 2:6-116 Who,…[Read more]

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    To All……….A living Soul is a complete being It is the same as saying a compete individual. IMOpeace and love to you all…………………………………………………..gene

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